Political Theory

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

AJ — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:23:47 GMT

Since the change has to come about by individual choice, rather than by edict, I see only two major vehicles:

1) Education (educating people that we would be better of without governments)

2) Incentivization (creating a stateless society that others want to emulate, perhaps by micro-secession or seasteading)

To be a real incentive, the stateless society would have to be markedly and obviously superior in certain key areas, I think particularly in the provision of security (police, courts, etc. - the areas that people most doubt could ever work without a government).

But really, micro-secession is already happening on the Internet in ways that I'm not sure how many have noticed. (I'll elaborate in a new post.)

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

Spideynw — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:56:01 GMT

Throatpoker:

What do you think are the fastest ways to establish an anarchist society?

Free State Project

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

Harry Felker — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:54:59 GMT

Daniel:
Disney provides customer service training to other firms. If only they trained the DMV, this world would much better.

I work for Disney, DMV is about the level they teach...

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

malgratloprekindle — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:19:30 GMT

liberty student:
I thought it made perfect sense.

I disagreed.

liberty student:
The quickest way away from the state, is to establish alternatives.

Thanks for the wording it more clearly.

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

liberty student — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:17:15 GMT

malgratloprekindle:

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

I thought it made perfect sense. The quickest way away from the state, is to establish alternatives.

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

malgratloprekindle — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:15:16 GMT

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

wilderness — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:30:43 GMT

liberty student:

wilderness:
Of course, not that we need to live in the jungle that would be missing the whole point. The point is they simply got fed up with the huge complex State ideological aggrandizement and walked away from it back to focus their lives on their families and village.

That's super good. Can I reprint it?

Take it!

Thanks.

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

Stranger — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:20:26 GMT

Harry Felker:

The issue is that government is an expert at the blame game, one faction will blame the other and take over as "saviors"....

And no doubt support the losing party so that it can return to power a few elections later and continue the cycle.

There is no avoiding a confrontation. This involves a complete constitutional plan. This requires people and organization.

Once that is in place, then all the parties of power will side with each other against the freedom party, and then the population will see how obvious the problem of government is. But none of that will happen unless we can isolate the parties of power.

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

DanielMuff — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:33:14 GMT

liberty student:

Anarchist Cain:
Something tells me Walmart needs to start building street rep before people don't cringe at a statement like that

The customers for WalMart education are not only students, they are firms. If firms recognize or demand Walmart education, people will buy it as a prerequisite to certain jobs.

You see something similar with a lot of those ads on TV for education in medical assistant and locksmith and stuff. But I suspect those firms are really just student loan industrial complex firms. WalMart might provide dirt cheap higher education without the need for loans.

Disney provides customer service training to other firms. If only they trained the DMV, this world would much better.

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

liberty student — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:11:46 GMT

wilderness:
Of course, not that we need to live in the jungle that would be missing the whole point. The point is they simply got fed up with the huge complex State ideological aggrandizement and walked away from it back to focus their lives on their families and village.

That's super good. Can I reprint it?

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

liberty student — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:09:24 GMT

Anarchist Cain:
Something tells me Walmart needs to start building street rep before people don't cringe at a statement like that

The customers for WalMart education are not only students, they are firms. If firms recognize or demand Walmart education, people will buy it as a prerequisite to certain jobs.

You see something similar with a lot of those ads on TV for education in medical assistant and locksmith and stuff. But I suspect those firms are really just student loan industrial complex firms. WalMart might provide dirt cheap higher education without the need for loans.

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

hashem — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:59:02 GMT

Throatpoker:
What do you think are the fastest ways to establish an anarchist society?

The fastest way is for each individual to secede. The state would instantly cease to exist, as even its government would no longer exist. The society -- already existing -- will be an anarchy by definition.

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

wilderness — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:17:14 GMT

liberty student:

The way to de-legitimize the government is to replace it. Questioning is not enough. The state must actually lose customers to the free market.

This is one theory put forth as to why the Mayan culture left the huge temple cities and went back to a more diversified village life that is seen today. The Mayan State became very huge, demanding of it's people that did more harm than good, warfare increased, food became hard to come by, and much more as the priorities shifted to honoring the high ranking, non-working "priest-class" (today's politicians) duties. The aggrandizing of the State became a priority whereas the life and energy devoted to sustaining such grandiose, such as farming and other basic fulfillments of life's needs became diverted to the point of collapse. Many of the temples and huge stone work buildings are still in the jungle intact cause this theory surmises the people eventually had enough of it all and simply left it all behind more and more. The Mayans are still alive they live a more diversified village life with huge markets and such south of Mexico. There's millions of them still.

Of course, not that we need to live in the jungle that would be missing the whole point. The point is they simply got fed up with the huge complex State ideological aggrandizement and walked away from it back to focus their lives on their families and village.

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

Andrew Cain — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:19:31 GMT

liberty student:

Like, "Hey man, I'm going to the Educational Factory of WalMart to get my Silver Cert in Neuroscience.

Something tells me Walmart needs to start building street rep before people don't cringe at a statement like that

Re: Anarchism: how to get there?

liberty student — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:19:00 GMT

Anarchist Cain:
Could they really stop such a thing from transpiring?

I'm not sure they could. They could not call them Bachelor or Masters degrees. They could call them Gold Silver and Bronze Walmart Certifications.

Like, "Hey man, I'm going to the Educational Factory of WalMart to get my Silver Cert in Neuroscience."