Political Theory

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

Kakugo — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:26:58 GMT

Very, very few chances we'll live to see such a thing as single central government.

On the other hand the attempts to impose a centralized control over banking are strenghtening by the year. How is it coming to be? By keep hammering in people's heads that old Marxist mantra "free markets have failed" and by blowing fiscal evasion completely out of proportion. Is it working? Sadly yes, mostly because people will buy anything the soft spoken Obama of the moment will tell them on television and mostly because people always think they'll still be able to "get away with it".

Mises back in the '20s warned that Socialists may call themselves with new names and change clothes but what they want will always be the same: total control of the means of production. Since directly taking over each single business would be an enormously time consuming effort they have switched to controlling access to credit and capital accumulation. And that's how it's coming into being.

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

Conza88 — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:15:19 GMT

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090710/155494340.html

http://www.futureworldcurrency.com/ (Notice no about section or anything like that)

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

DanielMuff — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:25:55 GMT

Alex Jones becomes God?

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

AJ — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:17:23 GMT

Conza88:
The Drive for a World Central Bank by Hans-Hermann Hoppe

Amazing speech! I wasn't actually looking for how it would come about, but this was really great. He consistently calls a spade a spade, detailing how the protection rackets knows as governments fought to get people to accept their counterfeiting operations. He also explains what limits the monopoly power at each step of the way, which is the other side of the coin we don't seem to focus on as much. I recommend everyone listen to it if they haven't.

The Salerno speech was OK-ish, and I've seen and read all the G. Edward Griffin stuff before - he's so astute on so many things, wish he were more anarchistic.

Conza88:
TBH, there isn't going to be a calculation problem imo. The overlords aren't stupid.

Isn't the whole idea of the calculation problem that it doesn't matter how smart the leaders are? Or do you mean they would keep markets free enough to maximize tax revenues?

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

Conza88 — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:16:19 GMT

Esuric:
"Defeating communism is impossible." Wow, how right was he!? Oh wait....

Haha, yeah. He is good on the methodlogical individualism side of things, i.e the conspiracy aspect, who, what, where, why, when, goals etc.

But he's a tad behind on political philosophy / economy. He quotes Rothbard's Ethics of Liberty, so he must have read it.. but he hasn't quite grasped private security and private defense agencies, as per a recent email. The historical stuff he does is great though and the other explanations.

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

Wanderer — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:58:12 GMT

My guess is the collapse would be just like the collapse of the Soviet Union: the complete miscalculation of what is required by the market.

btw, I'm a total n00b here, how do you get the quotes to come at the end of posts?

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

Harry Felker — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:09:25 GMT

Anarchist Cain:

Harry Felker:

Anarchist Cain:

Black Market Anarchism.

Michael Corleone:
Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in

We can have decoder rings, secret hand shakes and nifty tattoos...I mean who doesn't want that? I almost feel the urge to welcome a world government so I can get my wonder twin powers going.

This is the life I retired from....

To wash dishes...

If this turns out to be what will happen, I am going to be pissed for wasting my time washing dishes....

Dwight:
It's time to prove to your friends that you're worth a damn. Sometimes that means dying, sometimes it means killing a whole lot of people

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

Andrew Cain — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:49:50 GMT

Harry Felker:

Anarchist Cain:

Black Market Anarchism.

Michael Corleone:
Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in

We can have decoder rings, secret hand shakes and nifty tattoos...I mean who doesn't want that? I almost feel the urge to welcome a world government so I can get my wonder twin powers going.

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

Harry Felker — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:41:35 GMT

Anarchist Cain:

Black Market Anarchism.

Michael Corleone:
Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

Andrew Cain — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:33:43 GMT

Black Market Anarchism.

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

nazgulnarsil — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:35:05 GMT

say goodbye to all the benefits and advancements brought about by free competition. any further advancements will be retained for the power elite. life will be fairly static for the rank and file. If you're wondering what this life will be like...talk to people from the USSR.

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

Esuric — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:27:21 GMT

"Defeating communism is impossible." Wow, how right was he!? Oh wait....

Re: What Happens After One-World Government?

Conza88 — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:39:26 GMT

Well in terms of how would it evolve... just quickly.

The Drive for a World Central Bank by Hans-Hermann Hoppe

"Before I will explain why there is a drive to a world bank. I will have to discuss briefly another question, "Why is there a drive toward world government?" Because the drive toward a world bank, can best be understood as an intermediate step, in an underlying drive to world government."

Global Currency and Central Banking by Joseph T. Salerno (Mises Seminar: Money, Banking, and the New World Order)

(Please visit the site to view this media)

Old, yet most of the principles still apply. i.e Instead of Nuclear Holocaust, it is Global Warming..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7CfJ8wxahA&feature=PlayList&p=B72542814F61DC87&index=0&playnext=1

Report from Iron Mountain - taken from Chapter 24 in Creature from Jeykll Island. (Seriously, read this...)

It is pretty much exactly what is happening now. Lets just say, the climate change aka man made global warming movement... ain't really about saving the environment! ;) Definite- "serious threat to the future of our personal sovereignty."

In terms of collapse... TBH, there isn't going to be a calculation problem imo. The overlords aren't stupid. How would it collapse? Civil disobedience. Which Étienne de La Boétie outlined. Though the bigger it gets, the harder it gets I assume. The more centralized, the more powerful. An Idea Whose Time Has Come. Continue the ideological battle, keep spreading the message. An "Ethics of Liberty" in every persons hand..?

What Happens After One-World Government?

AJ — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:43:36 GMT

Does anyone have any thoughts about the scenario where a full-fledged, monopolistic global state is instituted?

How would it evolve over the years, and (how) would it collapse?