Political Theory

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

malgratloprekindle — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:41:02 GMT

ladyattis:
malgratloprekindle:
ladyattis:
Abortion: No
That's a surprise. Why?
It's no to late-term abortions, but yes to first trimester abortions. The reasoning that I conclude that after the second (or within the second) trimester, all bets are off that we got ourselves a being that can think and if given some nominal life support for a limited time, it will be self-sustained (barring nutritional requirements). I take this stance due to personal experience with my first niece who was barely out of the second trimester, but survived to be a nerdy teenager (better than brooding or emo, imho) at present. The fact she not only grew fast to being an actualized being makes me question whether or not abortion should be funded, but not necessarily banned. I personally abhor the destruction of human life as it seems pointless to waste precious opportunities to achieve better (which is why I'm also against the death penalty) in our lives and in this world.

I think abortion will solve itself in terms of both technology and society, which is why I'm still staunchly against State intervention in the issue (both on banning and funding).

You should check out this video: (Please visit the site to view this media) about the subject. What he says resonates with you.

While I do believe that Abortion should only be for a mother, father, and a physician to decide, I also agree that the state shouldn't fund it, or ban it. The former just gets the special interests going crazy and the latter does is push it into the black market.

I have another question for you. You should that Lysander Spooner was the father of Individualist Anarchism and talked of his argument for it in one of your videos. What was his argument?

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

ama gi — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:51:57 GMT

Spideynw:

ama gi:
ABCT: huh???

Austrian Business Cycle Theory

Boy I hope people don't flame you for that one!

I would have answered if the OP had simply spelled it out.

(yes)

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

Conza88 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:37:57 GMT

nirgrahamUK:

stand up: Blockian Evictionists

Hahah..

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

Angurse — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:27:07 GMT

Anarchism: Yes (anything, as long as its voluntary)

Praxeology: Yes

Natural rights: No

ABCT: Yes

Corporations: Yes (obviously current corporations are a big no, but LL is fine)

Death penalty: No

Abortion: Yes (please don't do it though)

Democracy: No

Objectivism: No (Post-objectivism: Yes)

Psycological egoism: Yes

Ethical egoism: Yes

100% FRB: Yes (Bank however you want, even foolishly)

Slave contracts: No

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

ladyattis — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:44:48 GMT

malgratloprekindle:

ladyattis:
Abortion: No

That's a surprise. Why?

It's no to late-term abortions, but yes to first trimester abortions. The reasoning that I conclude that after the second (or within the second) trimester, all bets are off that we got ourselves a being that can think and if given some nominal life support for a limited time, it will be self-sustained (barring nutritional requirements). I take this stance due to personal experience with my first niece who was barely out of the second trimester, but survived to be a nerdy teenager (better than brooding or emo, imho) at present. The fact she not only grew fast to being an actualized being makes me question whether or not abortion should be funded, but not necessarily banned. I personally abhor the destruction of human life as it seems pointless to waste precious opportunities to achieve better (which is why I'm also against the death penalty) in our lives and in this world.

I think abortion will solve itself in terms of both technology and society, which is why I'm still staunchly against State intervention in the issue (both on banning and funding).

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

E. R. Olovetto — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:42:11 GMT

nirgrahamUK:

stand up: Blockian Evictionists

minarchistfacepalm.jpg

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

Spideynw — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:30:37 GMT

sicsempertyrannis:
Frankly, I am surprised that abortion is at about 50/50 in this thread.

I am not. You obviously have not seen the threads about abortion and rights in this forum. A lot of people contend that humans have rights by virtue of just being a human. And they also contend that someone is a human at conception.

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

Spideynw — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:26:13 GMT

Nerditarian:

Spideynw:

ama gi:
ABCT: huh???

Austrian Business Cycle Theory

Boy I hope people don't flame you for that one!

I think he was asking why this is an issue of contention on this forum, of all places.

Well so far, it does not appear to be an issue of contention, so if that is the case, then that would definitely be a good question.

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

nirgrahamUK — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:26:01 GMT

stand up: Blockian Evictionists

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

sicsempertyrannis — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:24:08 GMT

malgratloprekindle:

ladyattis:
Abortion: No

That's a surprise. Why?

Frankly, I am surprised that abortion is at about 50/50 in this thread.

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

Nerditarian — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:22:30 GMT

Spideynw:

ama gi:
ABCT: huh???

Austrian Business Cycle Theory

Boy I hope people don't flame you for that one!

I think he was asking why this is an issue of contention on this forum, of all places.

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

nirgrahamUK — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:02:33 GMT

ami g just knows it as Business Cycle Theory

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

Spideynw — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:00:48 GMT

ama gi:
ABCT: huh???

Austrian Business Cycle Theory

Boy I hope people don't flame you for that one!

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

ama gi — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:24:40 GMT

Anarchism: Yes
Praxeology: Yes
Natural rights: Yes
ABCT: huh???
Corporations: Yes
Death penalty: Maybe
Abortion: No, but I think pro-lifers should rely on persuasion rather than legislation
Democracy: Yes (provided you are talking about real democracy, rather than a two-party system)
Objectivism: No
Psycological egoism: Yes
Ethical egoism: No
100% FRB: I defend 100% your right to put your money in a bankrupt company
Slave contracts: not economically viable in a free society

Re: Difference of opinion between Mises.org forum members

malgratloprekindle — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:03:55 GMT

Sure, why not? I love a good survey.

Anarchism: Yes, but only if it's Anarcho-Capitalism
Praxeology: Yes
Natural rights: Yes
ABCT: Yes
Corporations: No (they're created by the state, last time I checked)
Death penalty: No
Abortion: Yes (It would be permissible: That's something for the family, woman and the physician, not the state, to decide)
Democracy: No
Objectivism: No (well, I guess I'm a post-Objectivist/neo-Aristotelian)
Psychological egoism: No
Ethical egoism: No
100% FRB: Yes