Political Theory

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

Juan — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:24:09 GMT

Yet they don't they prefer "statist" regimes over opportunities for anarcho-capitalism. What does that tell you about them?

Actually that tells me more about you than about anarchist libertarians. It tells me you are the typical troll who is only able to parrot the "love-it-or- leave-it" slogan.

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

Andrew Cain — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:23:29 GMT

Torsten:
That's a good reason to be against globalism. Anyway, from a anarcho-capitalist point of view there are quite some places anarcho capitalists could move to. Yet they don't they prefer "statist" regimes over opportunities for anarcho-capitalism. What does that tell you about them?

Really I grow vexed over this outlook.

To presuppose that we must move means that the government has more claim to the property we reside on then we, the property owners do. Quit this ridculous ill logic.

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

Torsten — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:09:42 GMT

Spideynw:
If there were a better place to move to, we all would. What would be your argument if we had one world government? It would boil down to we are free to die.

... That's a good reason to be against globalism. Anyway, from a anarcho-capitalist point of view there are quite some places anarcho capitalists could move to. Yet they don't they prefer "statist" regimes over opportunities for anarcho-capitalism. What does that tell you about them?

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

Spideynw — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:11:56 GMT

jiriki:
We're free to leave the country if we wish.

If there were a better place to move to, we all would. But there is not. What would be your argument if we had one world government? It would boil down to we are free to die. Just because we are not willing to kill ourselves to avoid tyranny, does not justify extortion and slavery.

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

Torsten — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:20:56 GMT

jiriki:
No wonder America is full of fringe movements. Creatonists, libertarians, what next!

And because these are fringe movements that now proves that their views are wrong?

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

Jon Irenicus — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:19:21 GMT

No wonder America is full of fringe movements. Creatonists, libertarians, what next!

People who believe the state is good for anything other than parasitism. :) Oh wait, that's the majority. Still a cult.

Then you are making assumption that people are rational to make the clear choices. Kenneth Arrow and John Forbes Nash already proved that market is not perfect.

You speak nonsense. If they actually needed to "prove" something is not "perfect" it says more of their audience than themselves, i.e. the kind of mentality which requires such a proof. Too bad Austrians do not rely on such effete notions of rationality, so that your "critique" and name-dropping goes crashing down.

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

Knight_of_BAAWA — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:57:10 GMT

jiriki:
Then you are making assumption that people are rational to make the clear choices. Kenneth Arrow and John Forbes Nash already proved that market is not perfect.

Perfection is a Platonic anti-concept.

Now it's time for you to provide some rational arguments. Using the same, worn-out, refuted-to-death nonsense that we've heard a billion times before isn't endearing you to us (as you can probably tell).

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

E. R. Olovetto — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:53:11 GMT

jiriki:

cause their only being polite. they are giving the person fair warning before they round everybody up, lock 'em up in concentration camps or ghetto's, shoot them and kill them... I mean their only trying to be nice...

And if a company did that like the Blackwater company, its all oke?

If a person or an organization shoots me, I couldn't care less if hes funded voluntary or forcibly.

Not even David Friedman thinks that libertarianism can have any easy axioms. Maybe you should listen to him.

Yeah, well keep on calling other people trolls. And also slaves, when they don't even know about it! No wonder America is full of fringe movements. Creatonists and all.

You are fucking stupid. What have I or any other sensible poster said that relates to creationism?

You are like some guy from 500 years back arguing for a flat Earth or that the sun revolves around the Earth, in spite of compelling evidence to the contrary.

You and D. Friedman are wrong. Stop posting.

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

Andrew Cain — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:49:40 GMT

jiriki:

And if a company did that like the Blackwater company, its all oke?

If a person or an organization shoots me, I couldn't care less if hes funded voluntary or forcibly.

jiriki:
Not even David Friedman thinks that libertarianism can have any easy axioms. Maybe you should listen to him.

David Friedman is a utilitarian thus implying that the only ethic he maintains is that a lot of people being happy is the cat's pajamas. Honestly, the 'if you don't like it, leave' argument is rather absurd and lacks any logic.

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

wilderness — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:49:30 GMT

jiriki:

No wonder America is full of fringe movements. Creatonists and all.

cause their only being polite. they are giving the person fair warning before they round everybody up, lock 'em up in concentration camps or ghetto's, shoot them and kill them... I mean their only trying to be nice...

And if a company did that like the Blackwater company, its all oke?

If a person or an organization shoots me, I couldn't care less if hes funded voluntary or forcibly.

Was Anarchist Cain quoting you? I have no idea what you are saying here, it's frantic, but if AC quoted you, then I guess you're only trying to be nice...

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

jiriki — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:39:21 GMT

cause their only being polite. they are giving the person fair warning before they round everybody up, lock 'em up in concentration camps or ghetto's, shoot them and kill them... I mean their only trying to be nice...

And if a company did that like the Blackwater company, its all oke? If a person or an organization shoots me, I couldn't care less if he is funded voluntary or forcibly. Not even David Friedman thinks that libertarianism can have any easy axioms. Maybe you should listen to him.

No wonder America is full of fringe movements. Creatonists, libertarians, what next!

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

wilderness — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:38:42 GMT

Anarchist Cain:

We're free to leave the country if we wish.

Honestly, when are people going to stop using this absurd statement?

cause their only being polite. they are giving the person fair warning before they round everybody up, lock 'em up in concentration camps or ghetto's, shoot them and kill them... I mean their only trying to be nice...

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

Andrew Cain — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:34:14 GMT

We're free to leave the country if we wish.

Honestly, when are people going to stop using this absurd statement?

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

E. R. Olovetto — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:29:07 GMT

Why is anyone still responding to this troll's thread? I stopped caring after he belts out the words fanatic and arrogant when he doesn't realize that these words fit him.... zealous and illogical.

Ideologies aren't dangerous. The other 99% of ideologies seeking to justify getting away with going up to random people and punching them in the face are.

We're free to leave the country if we wish.

If a baby signs a contract giving all his property a to thug...

DUCWIDT?

Re: Idealism and Ideologies are dangerous

nirgrahamUK — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:10:20 GMT

haha very funny.