Political Theory

Re: Key Insights?

Juan — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:03:11 GMT

I thought it applied to the case at hand - sort of.

X is unnecessary but X is inevitable ? seem to be a clear contradiction in terms ?

Re: Key Insights?

Andrew Cain — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:33:21 GMT

Juan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttered_cat_paradox

That is hilarious

Re: Key Insights?

nirgrahamUK — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:30:11 GMT

Rooster:
Now would you say that people who think the state is inevitable are evil, socialists, parasites, or all of the above?

they certainly assist in the manufacturing of consent (to commit evil acts, a necessary amount). so its ugly if not necessarily *evil*

Re: Key Insights?

Rooster — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:22:42 GMT

liberty student:

Rooster:
Now would you say that people who think the state is inevitable are evil, socialists, parasites, or all of the above?

I think people who keep posting the same flamebait in thread after thread are trolling.

Evil trolls?

Re: Key Insights?

liberty student — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:19:36 GMT

Rooster:
Now would you say that people who think the state is inevitable are evil, socialists, parasites, or all of the above?

I think people who keep posting the same flamebait in thread after thread are trolling.

Re: Key Insights?

liberty student — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:18:49 GMT

redundancyisfreedom:
No wonder people don't listen to us as libertarians...

Anarchists are libertarians who take liberty to its logical conclusion.

Also, it's completely lame to complain about a mod when you're fishing for an argument, and not liking what you find.

redundancyisfreedom:
Well, enjoy your little pissed off little island...

You seem to be the only person pissed off. Anyway, have fun paying taxes!

Re: Key Insights?

Rooster — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:17:13 GMT

nirgrahamUK:

the state is as inevitable as people think it is.

if you think the state is inevitable, i say you are part of the problem.

Now would you say that people who think the state is inevitable are evil, socialists, parasites, or all of the above?

Re: Key Insights?

Juan — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:12:30 GMT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttered_cat_paradox

Re: Key Insights?

ricarpe — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:55:28 GMT

redundancyisfreedom:

The key insight of liberalism is that the State is unnecessary.

The key insight of conservatism is that the State is inevitable.

Thoughts?

I think both statements are using vague ideological name tags to make generalized statements.

Maybe a little elaboration would provide for a more logical discourse in this thread? If the end result of starting this thread was for reasoning out what your statement and getting constructive responses, I believe you need to give more than what you did.

Re: Key Insights?

nirgrahamUK — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:53:47 GMT

i'm pretty calm actually

Re: Key Insights?

redundancyisfreedom — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:36:43 GMT

No wonder people don't listen to us as libertarians...

Well, enjoy your little pissed off little island...

Re: Key Insights?

nirgrahamUK — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:33:31 GMT

I made a hypothetical. thanks for telling everyone that the premise fits. therefore by modus ponens, I say more confidently, you are the problem.

you find the word, 'problem' vitriolic?

redundancyisfreedom:
Should a person with such an attitude be a mod at mises.org?

file a complaint

Re: Key Insights?

Juan — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:31:44 GMT

Are you saying the state is inevitable ? You are wrong. All you can do is make unfounded wrong assertions and complain about the mods ?

Re: Key Insights?

redundancyisfreedom — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:24:27 GMT

nirgrahamUK:

if you think the state is inevitable, i say you are part of the problem.

Quickly! Hurl vitriol! Nothing makes social change like spitting bile at fellow travelers!

Should a person with such an attitude be a mod at mises.org? Are we attempting to emulate freerepublic.com here?

Re: Key Insights?

Rooster — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:24:48 GMT

Do you mean "libertarianism" or "classical liberalism"? In any case neither one is necessarily anarchist.

As for conservatism, how could that be a key insight? That doesn't tell you anything about what it represents, which would be a difficult thing as I don't think it's really a set of clear principles. At best you can probably make some generalizations about people who call themselves conservatives.