Political Theory

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Andrew Cain — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:49:01 GMT

Nitroadict:
But then again I'm just a "moral nihilist" when it comes to points & demagoguery.

I think you jest. I have heard whispers of your proposes concerning the point system of value. PoV! Bah such absurdity!

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Sam Armstrong — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:50:56 GMT

Thanks, that article cleared up any reservations I had.

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Spideynw — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:27:03 GMT

Sam Armstrong:
Is that not the same as Mob Rule?

No, it would be market rule. Just like the market provides for different grocery stores to shop at, the market would provide different agencies to resolve disputes. Disputes would be resolved on an individual basis. The mob would have nothing to do with a particular dispute. Do you think mob rule is what dictates the outcomes of international disputes between companies?

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

liberty student — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:53:37 GMT

Sam Armstrong:
So are we fine with saying that it's a problem with no solution

But there is a solution. Competition.

Give this a read

http://www.lewrockwell.com/long/long11.html

Specifically 4, 5, 7 and 10

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Solid_Choke — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:52:50 GMT

liberty student:

I personally believe I must be as radical as I can be, for if I won't, who else will?

Beautiful... I thought this same thought only a few nights ago when someone asked me: "Why don't you soften your message up a little to make it more acceptable in polite company?". Keep up the struggle.

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Conza88 — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:51:19 GMT

Sam Armstrong:

So are we fine with saying that it's a problem with no solution because the only solution creates the problem itself?

What is 'it' ?

What is the problem?

"The solution creates the problem itself." That would be a contradiction.

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Sam Armstrong — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:36:39 GMT

So are we fine with saying that it's a problem with no solution because the only solution creates the problem itself?

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Nitroadict — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:10:03 GMT

Laughing Man:

So far the tally is:

Nitroadict: 0

The world: 10

But then again I'm just a "moral nihilist" when it comes to points & demagoguery.

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

liberty student — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:54:13 GMT

Who is going to pay for positive law enforcement? Nearly every libertarian would argue against nation building by the state, why would we assume they would pay for the same sort of intervention in domestic society?

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Sam Armstrong — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:33:51 GMT

Well if someone who's not paying the security company does something that someone who is paying the security company thinks is coercion, and the security company reprimands them, are they not being ruled without consent regardless of whether or not they actually coerced? Doesn't that security company have a monopoly of force against that person?

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Andrew Cain — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:17:19 GMT

Nitroadict:
From now on, I will refer to all forum members here as demagogues, because after all, we are all out to get one another in an effort to get the most Mises Points.

You get +10 points for discovering that there is such a game and such a point system.

So far the tally is:

Nitroadict: 10

The world: 0

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

liberty student — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:59:27 GMT

Sam Armstrong:
So If we do have anarchism, would the security/justice companies not decide what is coercion and what is not?

Well, they would, based upon the expectations and demands of their clients.

Sam Armstrong:
Or rather, would in not be the consumers of security/justice companies voting with their dollars deciding what is coercion?

What is coercion is not the question. What is acceptable is the question.

Sam Armstrong:
Is that not the same as Mob Rule?

No. Mob rule is rule by majority. Anarchy is rule by consent.

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Sam Armstrong — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:52:57 GMT

So If we do have anarchism, would the security/justice companies not decide what is coercion and what is not? Or rather, would in not be the consumers of security/justice companies voting with their dollars deciding what is coercion? Is that not the same as Mob Rule?

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Nitroadict — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:29:51 GMT

Juan:
LM, don't expect consistency from demagogues.

The irony is enticing.

From now on, I will refer to all forum members here as demagogues, because after all, we are all out to get one another in an effort to get the most Mises Points.

Re: I'm in a huge dilemma between Minarchism and Anarchism

Juan — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:09:07 GMT

LM, don't expect consistency from demagogues. LS and other amoralist 'philosophers' will talk about right and wrong if it suits them, and will add that "it's all subjective" if they 'feel' that invoking subjectivity will advance their non-arguments.