Political Theory

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

bloomj31 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:44:48 GMT

In response to OP, as much as I personally find gays and gay marriage to be disgusting and disturbing, I do not think it's the place of the government to tell those people whether or not they can get married.

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Individualist — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:29:58 GMT

Snowflake:

Individualist:
Do current marriage laws require some degree of coercion (on, e.g., hospitals and insurance companies)? Or can anyone opt out of recognizing any state-recognized marriagr?
Just the opposite. At least in Tx, if you share residence with a female for more than like 5 years, you're married according to the state.

But can organizations that are involved with marriage contracts, like insurance companies and hospitals, decide to treat a man and woman who have a state-granted marriage contract the same as they treat two single people?

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Sieben — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:41:52 GMT

Individualist:
Do current marriage laws require some degree of coercion (on, e.g., hospitals and insurance companies)? Or can anyone opt out of recognizing any state-recognized marriagr?

Just the opposite. At least in Tx, if you share residence with a female for more than like 5 years, you're married according to the state.

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Individualist — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:38:24 GMT

Do current marriage laws require some degree of coercion (on, e.g., hospitals and insurance companies)? Or can anyone opt out of recognizing any state-recognized marriagr?

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Angurse — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:30:32 GMT

Spideynw:

So, god created a man and a woman and did not tell them how to make children? If so, prove it. Otherwise, if humans evolved, than they were making babies all the time while evolving, and by the time humans evolved to being modern day humans, they would have know how to make babies. Again, how about you join us in the 21st century, where we understand and know these things.

Making babies isn't the same as knowing how babies are made. As mentally challenged person can rape a woman and successfully create an offspring without ever learning about the what actually transpires. The enjoyment one gets from sex, is all that's necessary, reproduction is merely an unfortunate circumstance.

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Spideynw — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:20:12 GMT

Angurse:

Spideynw:
There was a time when people did not know how children were produced?

Absolutely. 9 Months is a long time.

So, god created a man and a woman and did not tell them how to make children? If so, prove it. Otherwise, if humans evolved, than they were making babies all the time while evolving, and by the time humans evolved to being modern day humans, they would have know how to make babies. Again, how about you join us in the 21st century, where we understand and know these things.

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Angurse — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:12:42 GMT

Spideynw:
There was a time when people did not know how children were produced?

Absolutely. 9 Months is a long time.

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Tukaram — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:21:21 GMT

I finally figured out what caused them and divorced her. She got the curly fry maker and I got the kids... I sure miss that curly fry maker.

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Spideynw — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:29:46 GMT

Angurse:
If you can show evidence of homosexuals mating to have children before people knew how children are produced,

There was a time when people did not know how children were produced?

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Angurse — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:51:34 GMT

Spideynw:
Homosexuals do have sex with the opposite gender in order to have children. But you can keep denying reality all you want. Nothing I can do about it.

Angurse:

Do you not realise that there was a time when such proposals ( that you are making) were simply impossible? As just saying "today they can" doesn't change the fact that there was a time when it was impossible.

Angurse:
And, as I've explained to nirgrahamUK, now it doesn't matter...

If you can show evidence of homosexuals mating to have children before people knew how children are produced, you've proved me wrong. Otherwise:

Angurse:
Do you even try to understand what other posters are saying?

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Saan — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:07:42 GMT

Amazing this thread is. Gay people have been having kids since at least the ancient greeks. Gay, Straight, man, woman, black, white, asian, ad infinitum, these terms are distractions ignore them. People are people, who cares what they do so long as they do You no harm.

If you don't like certain people don't associate with them. last I heard there were about 7 billion people on the planet. I don't think any of us are going to be lonely any time soon.

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Spideynw — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:55:37 GMT

Angurse:

Spideynw:
And yet reality says otherwise.

No, not really. (At least, I'm still waiting for the evidence of this)

Homosexuals do have sex with the opposite gender in order to have children. But you can keep denying reality all you want. Nothing I can do about it.

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Daniel James Sanchez — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:38:14 GMT

Tukaram:

Republicans and Democrats are omnisexual. They screw everybody!

LOL!

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Peter Wild — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:22:11 GMT

I think the question is somehow wrong because it es far too much based on structures most libertraians do critisize.

Do we really need a law that handels this question? I think: not!

Do we really need civil unions? I think not!

All we need are individuals and companies (I regard even churches and health-care as companies). Individuals can agree or disagree with ohneanother in whatever they want. And how other individuals and companies handle a question it is just theier decission.

The point is: If we would not have a bureaucracy there would exist not one single economic reason for civil unions. But as we do have in most contries a taxation that makes a difference wheather you do live in marrige or not. There is also an economic reason for people to get married even thogh they are not really interested in marriage itself.

And even the opposite does actually exist: I know people living together who for tax-saving-reasons are not married even though they would marry if this point schould not exist.

Re: Gay marriage and civil unions

Angurse — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:10:59 GMT

Spideynw:
And yet reality says otherwise.

No, not really. (At least, I'm still waiting for the evidence of this)