Political Theory

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

Zach_the_Lizard — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:08:27 GMT

Karl Rove makes himself look very good in this debate; he is a master of lying through his teeth. I especially love how he talks about the free market, and then says that his Medicare plan was a good thing, the bailouts were a good thing, financial regulation was a good thing, the wars were a good thing, and the nationalization of airport security was a good thing. I find laughable his claim that the Medicare drug plan works using "market mechanisms." If that were the case, why is there any governmental involvement?

I lol'd when Casey Godwin'd that debate. It is precisely that attitude that makes libertarians look like a bunch of nutjobs, no matter how correct. He also kept getting interrupted by Rove, which was quite annoying. Overall, he was a very poor debater. Tom Woods would totally dominate that debate.

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

Esuric — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:46:55 GMT

Daniel:
They gotta have Tom Woods next time.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well.

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

DanielMuff — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:34:21 GMT

Capital Pumper:

I can't remember but he snapped back saying something about statute. Is there a transcript of this somewhere?

I doubt it. Karl Rove could have been easily handled, but Doug Casey is pretty bad at debates.

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

Capital Pumper — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:25:31 GMT

I can't remember but he snapped back saying something about statute. Is there a transcript of this somewhere?

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

DanielMuff — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:11:26 GMT

Esuric:

What is this guy doing? He's playing right into their hands as the "nut-job libertarian." It seems like Casey is purposely trying to discredit libertarians. I'm surprised he didn't bring up reptilian aliens and satanic bloodlines.

They gotta have Tom Woods next time.

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

DanielMuff — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:10:54 GMT

Capital Pumper:

Daniel:

But, Karl Rove did a really good job.

As a rhetorician and an equivocater hands down...

Yup. That's exactly what I meant.

Capital Pumper:
Karl Rove:

Republicans are for free-market and limited government because, unlike that pesky constitution, we are obstructed by that damn legislation. You have a point though that I'm also for big government; however, that's justified! Personal responsibility is all about state sanctioned terrorism, foreign and domestic, like you Libertarians preach! Now I'm going to tell you how Republicans are free-market and limited government by espousing subsidization of prescription drugs, regulating government sponsored enterprises (apparently by placing them under conservatorship twice in 2008, proposing 4 percent fixed interest rates on mortgages, and showering them for years with a 2.25 billion dollar line of credit with the U.S Treasury), and not mentioning a thing about the Federal Reserve because me and my elephant cronies support central banking."

I'm glad to get that Karl Rove induced rage off my chest.

Karl Rove: "We were small government, even though we expanded education, healthcare, defense, wars, and passed the PATRIOT Act and bailed out Wall Street, and implemented the TSA and the DHS, but what was it!" Lol.

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

Capital Pumper — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:05:58 GMT

Daniel:

But, Karl Rove did a really good job.

As a rhetorician and an equivocater hands down...

Karl Rove:

Republicans are for free-market and limited government because, unlike that pesky constitution, we are obstructed by that damn legislation. You have a point though that I'm also for big government; however, that's justified! Personal responsibility is all about state sanctioned terrorism, foreign and domestic, like you Libertarians preach! Now I'm going to tell you how Republicans are free-market and limited government by espousing subsidization of prescription drugs, regulating government sponsored enterprises (apparently by placing them under conservatorship twice in 2008, proposing 4 percent fixed interest rates on mortgages, and showering them for years with a 2.25 billion dollar line of credit with the U.S Treasury), and not mentioning a thing about the Federal Reserve because me and my elephant cronies support central banking."

I'm glad to get that Karl Rove induced rage off my chest.

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

Esuric — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:02:39 GMT

What is this guy doing? He's playing right into their hands as the "nut-job libertarian." It seems like Casey is purposely trying to discredit libertarians. I'm surprised he didn't bring up reptilian aliens and satanic bloodlines.

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

Bostwick — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:05:03 GMT

Dean's picture.

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

DanielMuff — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:52:18 GMT

JonBostwick:

Can anyone look more phony than that? God.

Who are you referring too?

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

DanielMuff — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:51:44 GMT

Capital Pumper:

I would if he actually laid it instead struggling to articulate, as evidenced by his churning out of Hitler analogies.

Yeah, Doug Casey isn't too good at debating. But, Karl Rove did a really good job.

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

Bostwick — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:49:01 GMT

Can anyone look more phony than that? God.

Re: Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

Capital Pumper — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:34:37 GMT

I would if he actually laid it instead of struggling to articulate, as evidenced by his churning out of Hitler analogies.

Howard Dean vs Karl Rove vs Doug Casey

DanielMuff — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:58:36 GMT

Debate on philosophy turns into all-out rhetorical brawl.

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