https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/8.aspxDiscussion of political theory.enCommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/268521.aspxThu, 12 Nov 2009 05:06:41 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:268521Spideynw0https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/268521.aspxhttps://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=8&PostID=268521<p><blockquote><div><img src="https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/Themes/mises2008/images/icon-quote.gif"> <strong>sam.burton:</strong></div><div>I would like to know how a government can generate revenue without resorting to legal plunder.</div></blockquote></p> <p>Governments assume to rule over others.&nbsp; Who would ever want to be ruled?</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/268519.aspxThu, 12 Nov 2009 04:54:34 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:268519DanielMuff0https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/268519.aspxhttps://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=8&PostID=268519<p><blockquote><div><img src="https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/Themes/mises2008/images/icon-quote.gif"> <strong>sam.burton:</strong></div><div>I would like to know how a government can generate revenue without resorting to legal plunder.</div></blockquote></p> <p>It could operate as a legitimate business.</p> <p><blockquote><div><img src="https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/Themes/mises2008/images/icon-quote.gif"> <strong>sam.burton:</strong></div><div>The questions assumes that government is needed. Please answer considering this benchmark.</div></blockquote></p> <p>But is it a state or not?</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/268518.aspxThu, 12 Nov 2009 04:50:14 GMT944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:268518sam.burton0https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/268518.aspxhttps://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=8&PostID=268518<p>I would like to know how a government can generate revenue without resorting to legal plunder.</p> <p>I know some believe that government is completely wrong. If that is the case, please make a post talking of not needing government. </p> <p>The questions assumes that government is needed. Please answer considering this benchmark. </p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>liberty student, I am reading up on several areas in which we spoke of several days ago. I do hold your views with respect even if some of my comments had some bite. </p> <p>My view on war is that aggression comes in many forms including war. Your argument was based on the idea that aggression is against individualism, and against order and peace. I am limited currently due the amount of knowledge i have on this subject. The following is my point of view.</p> <p>In strict libertarian terms, an individual has the right to own and defend himself, his belongings and property, and loved ones.. Some say this is a God given or natural right to each and every man. With this in mind, could not the argument be made that at times aggression is needed to exact justice which in turn leads to order and peace? Also, these unalienable rights as barabic as they seem are at the core of liberatarian philosophy. To defend ones&quot;individualism&quot; it is within&#39;s one right to use aggression. </p> <p>The biggest error in this I think is that every individual can logically defend one&#39;s actions. Greed, covetousness, and power hungry can all be logically rationalized by an individual to defend against those who oppose their natural right to increase their holdings. Isn&#39;t human greed the coret to all wars? </p> <p>*Please forgive any spelling errors.</p><div style="clear:both;"></div>