Political Theory

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

Marko — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:41:19 GMT

The point is IQs like height are not etched in stone.

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

Marko — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:42:40 GMT

TelfordUS:

I said "Russia of all places" because the distance of spreading ideas from the eastern Mediterranean to Russia is significant for ancient civilizations.

Well after the prince converted it still took decades for the populace to accept the new faith. It was no magic wand thing.

Stranger:

Mainland China is full of extremely dull peasants. However, the brightest and most motivated of them eventually made it across to the British colonies, and so the IQ of Hong Kong and Singapore is more than likely far higher than that of mainland Chinese provinces.

[sarcasm]And seeing how Hong Kong`s populace is 5cm taller than that of China, I guess all the tall people migrated to Hong Kong too.[/sarcasm]

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

Stranger — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:39:11 GMT

Byzantine:

Solid_Choke:
I understand that, but do you have an explanation for the wealth of Hong Kong and Singapore (or are they Europeans?). Why do some colonies do well, but others turn into Somalia?

All other things being equal, median IQ of the natives. The average Han Chinese is probably a standard deviation or more above the average Somali.

Mainland China is full of extremely dull peasants. However, the brightest and most motivated of them eventually made it across to the British colonies, and so the IQ of Hong Kong and Singapore is more than likely far higher than that of mainland Chinese provinces.

The same thing is likely true for the U.S. as well, with large cities having much higher IQs than backwater regions.

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

TelfordUS — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:33:22 GMT

Marko:

TelfordUS:

That doesn't explain how Orthodox Christianity was accepted in Russia of all places.

What are you going on about? Some racist crap?

Whoops, I did not notice that bit sounded racist. I said "Russia of all places" because the distance of spreading ideas from the eastern Mediterranean to Russia is significant for ancient civilizations.

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

Marko — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:13:13 GMT

Solid_Choke:

Doesn't that show that colonialism can cause riches OR poverty depending on how it is done?

No. That is like saying statism can cause riches OR poverty depending on how it is done. Capitalism (and colonisation) causes riches. Not colonialization, statism or other violence.

You will note American revolution which ended colonialization of America (but not colonization of it) occured because Britain was making Americans poorer than they would have been if left untaxed by London.

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

Marko — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:09:11 GMT

TelfordUS:

That doesn't explain how Orthodox Christianity was accepted in Russia of all places.

What are you going on about? Some racist crap?

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

TelfordUS — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:57:42 GMT

Solid_Choke:

TelfordUS:

Hong Kong was fortunate enough to host massive trade. Somalia was generally used for cattle.

Yes, but would Hong Kong have had massive trade if it wasn't a colony? Doesn't that show that colonialism can cause riches OR poverty depending on how it is done?

Exactly! Colonization can make a population rich or poor. Unfortunately for Somalia, they had to suffer with the latter. Although that doesn't mean colonization is the only contributor, there are many other variables in that equation.

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

Solid_Choke — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:54:15 GMT

TelfordUS:

Solid_Choke:

I understand that, but do you have an explanation for the wealth of Hong Kong and Singapore (or are they Europeans?). Why do some colonies do well, but others turn into Somalia?

Hong Kong was fortunate enough to host massive trade. Somalia was generally used for cattle.

Yes, but would Hong Kong have had massive trade if it wasn't a colony? Doesn't that show that colonialism can cause riches OR poverty depending on how it is done?

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

TelfordUS — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:50:39 GMT

Solid_Choke:

I understand that, but do you have an explanation for the wealth of Hong Kong and Singapore (or are they Europeans?). Why do some colonies do well, but others turn into Somalia?

Hong Kong was fortunate enough to host massive trade. Somalia was generally used for cattle.

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

TelfordUS — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:49:09 GMT

Marko:

You can not transplant a traditional law to where it is not traditional. It is its continuity that makes it accepted.

You must start anew. That is not to say you can recommend modeling it after an existing code, but a transplant won`t work, you must let a new code be built from the ground up.

In any case there are no institutions that could support Xeer except in other tribal societies (which already have tribal custom of their own).

That doesn't explain how Orthodox Christianity was accepted in Russia of all places.

In anarchy like Somalia, it's impossible to "transplant" a law, unlike the common transplanting of laws in the central governments of the Western World. Rather, a law must spread across a population and be generally accepted as right and just (kind of like a fashion trend, but more important).

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

TelfordUS — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:43:52 GMT

E. R. Olovetto:

The legal order we advocate would have private insurers replacing the role of the family.

I think that would be the Western world's interpretation of Xeer, as most of us advocate for private social organization aimed for profit. Xeer trusts the power of judgment not to the businessman, but to the wise elder of the family. Family is a major value of the Somalis, so naturally they would base a legal system off of it.

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

Solid_Choke — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:42:22 GMT

TelfordUS:

Solid_Choke:

How does colonization make a country poor? Many of the world's richest countries are former colonies (USA, Australia, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc...).

The wealth of the colonies did not go to the natives, but to the Europeans. This is seen in most of colonies around the world. Colonization itself didn't make the Somalis poor, but it sent a clear message that Europeans were more powerful in coercion.

I understand that, but do you have an explanation for the wealth of Hong Kong and Singapore (or are they Europeans?). Why do some colonies do well, but others turn into Somalia?

Re: Xeer Law vs Constitutional Law

TelfordUS — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:39:02 GMT

Solid_Choke:

How does colonization make a country poor? Many of the world's richest countries are former colonies (USA, Australia, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc...).

The wealth of the colonies did not go to the natives, but to the Europeans. This is seen in most of colonies around the world. Colonization itself didn't make the Somalis poor, but it sent a clear message that Europeans were more powerful in coercion.