Political Theory

Re: Socialists against Obama, Clinton, and McCain

Stranger — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:41:10 GMT

There is nothing a socialist hates more than a different kind of socialist. Witness Hitler vs. Stalin.

Re: Socialists against Obama, Clinton, and McCain

Jon Irenicus — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:15:50 GMT

Obama certainly counts as socialist as far as I'm concerned, or at least something close to it. Clinton and McCain seem more reminiscent of corporatists.

-Jon

Re: Socialists against Obama, Clinton, and McCain

Ego — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:18:45 GMT

The Socialist Worker goons have the same problem we do: they don't understand incrementalism. I have no doubt that both Obama and Hillary are much further to the left than their platforms. Can you imagine either of them running in a further-left country and cutting taxes and regulations down to their current platform? Of course not.

Re: Socialists against Obama, Clinton, and McCain

ViennaSausage — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:12:32 GMT

Perhaps. From observations on this forum, there have been posts which call the three socialists as well as statists. Furthermore, and an obvious fact, but worth stating, all three groups may tend to oppose each other. However, it does appear that the three Statists do have socialist tendencies in their economic polices.

Re: Socialists against Obama, Clinton, and McCain

banned — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:54:35 GMT

possibly because it isn't Ironic? I wouldn't conflate the three with socialists. Statists, certainly, but they are certainly not socialists. Since they represent neither of the two groups (libertarian or socialist) It would seem fitting that both groups tend to oppose them.

Re: Socialists against Obama, Clinton, and McCain

ViennaSausage — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:34:20 GMT

Actually, why do you find it stupid?

Re: Socialists against Obama, Clinton, and McCain

ViennaSausage — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:33:49 GMT

By eladiob in Political Theory

This is the stupidest post I've eve seen.

With all do respect, or perhaps lack thereof, that is the stupidest comment I have ever seen.

Socialists against Obama, Clinton, and McCain

ViennaSausage — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:37:41 GMT

On the Mises Forum, there has been posts stating that Obama, Clinton, and McCain are all socialists. While the veracity of that may or may not be true (it is apparently true to me), big S Socialists of the Marxist variety do no think the 3 are socialist enough.

For example, this article points out all the deficiencies of Obama with respect to the socialist paradigm, http://www.socialistworker.org/2007-1/617/617_05_Obama.shtml.

Isn't it a bit ironic how libertarians/Libertarians are against socialists/Socialists but both of us are against Obama, Clinton, and McCain?