Political Theory

Re: World government...then what?

Conza88 — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:13:57 GMT

z1235:

Conza88:

You've got it so wrong... it's not even worth elaborating on.

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/pdf/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf

In 1966, just like today, people (crazy or otherwise) had opinions and interpretations, and wrote about them.

And that has nothing to do with the above. Care to refute the reports findings?

Have you been watching the news.. the last decade?

What just happened at Copenhagen?

Re: World government...then what?

z1235 — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:49:55 GMT

Conza88:

You've got it so wrong... it's not even worth elaborating on.

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/pdf/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf

In 1966, just like today, people (crazy or otherwise) had opinions and interpretations, and wrote about them. How long has Switzerland lasted as a state, and which wars have been (and currently are) necessary to sustain it as a concept?

Re: World government...then what?

Kakugo — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:53:03 GMT

There won't be a One World Government, the US and the EU will clash militarily with China and perhaps India well before that and won't probably come out victorious.

Re: World government...then what?

z1235 — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:15:01 GMT

cpx:
Well, because the more centralized a government becomes, the more inefficient and authoritarian it becomes. If USA was the only country on earth it could very well become totalitarian too, because there isn't any other place for capital, labor and citizens to go, and the natural tendency for any government is to grow and centralize until it collapses under it's own weight.

Capital, labor, and (would be) citizens have been (and still are) flowing TOWARD the USA. The suggestion that the ability of capital and citizens to LEAVE the USA is the main reason for it not becoming totalitarian is not plausable, at best.

cpx:
The only chance for hope is if the citizens are diligent enough to constantly keep their governments restrained.

I agree. Regardless of the domain -- inter-galactic, world, continent, or island -- the government can only become and remain totalitarian to the extent that the citizens themselves would allow it.That's the self-adjusting beauty of it all.

Re: World government...then what?

Conza88 — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:01:20 GMT

z1235:

Why all these apocalyptic visions? For another possible outcome why not just assume that today's USA is the only country (land mass) on this planet (no other people and continents), and that its government is the world government. So everything would be the same as right now but better -- no enormous defense budget and no wars, hence much lower taxes.

Z.

You've got it so wrong... it's not even worth elaborating on.

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/pdf/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf

Re: World government...then what?

cpx — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:56:52 GMT

z1235:

Why all these apocalyptic visions? For another possible outcome why not just assume that today's USA is the only country (land mass) on this planet (no other people and continents), and that its government is the world government. So everything would be the same as right now but better -- no enormous defense budget and no wars, hence much lower taxes.

Z.

Well, because the more centralized a government becomes, the more inefficient and authoritarian it becomes. If USA was the only country on earth it could very well become totalitarian too, because there isn't any other place for capital, labor and citizens to go, and the natural tendency for any government is to grow and centralize until it collapses under it's own weight. The only chance for hope is if the citizens are diligent enough to constantly keep their governments restrained.

Re: World government...then what?

abskebabs — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:05:12 GMT

wilderness:

they'll find an excuse to keep the government necessary. pretend aliens from planet Rockie-Road-Ice-Cream or something will invade us

Perhaps aliens and ET will be the next myth to gain the major sponsorship by the state to be propogated by its intellectual apologists. Tbh I think most people can't wait for the world government, when I feel bitter, I almost feel like they deserve everything that's coming for them. Maybe there is no hope for humanity.

Re: World government...then what?

wilderness — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:31:19 GMT

they'll find an excuse to keep the government necessary. pretend aliens from planet Rockie-Road-Ice-Cream or something will invade us

Re: World government...then what?

z1235 — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:27:39 GMT

Why all these apocalyptic visions? For another possible outcome why not just assume that today's USA is the only country (land mass) on this planet (no other people and continents), and that its government is the world government. So everything would be the same as right now but better -- no enormous defense budget and no wars, hence much lower taxes.

Re: World government...then what?

Merlin — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:12:30 GMT

I mean, what next? Does this go on forever or what? My take: shortly the state crumbles and, after years of ethic cleansing and genocide, thousands of ministates are rebuild slowly. In time they start expanding and…its all over again.

Optimistic, isn’t it?

Re: World government...then what?

Wanderer — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:13:50 GMT

Merlin:

Once we have a World Government, world currency, world laws and courts…what will happen next?

Probably a one-world religion, my guess is Christianity or Islam. This will help give the state legitimacy and a good way to indoctrinate people.

Re: World government...then what?

Fephisto — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:27:13 GMT

Merlin:

Once we have a World Government, world currency, world laws and courts…what will happen next?

About 10 more people become libertarians.

Re: World government...then what?

bearing01 — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:26:38 GMT

Well, I would rather an all out civil war and secession before I submbit to world communism.

Live free or die!

Re: World government...then what?

Isaac "Izzy" Marmolejo — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:39:58 GMT

its just ineffective... in my point of view a big government in a single country is ineffective and usually has much trouble stabilizing the economy. (ie. socialism, communism). Recent countries have fallen down financially because of hyperinflation, or the government just printing lots and lots of money. (ie. Post WW1 Germany, counties in Africa)

So having a huge one world government is just wrong... if a huge government cant even control a single country than why do people think it is logical for a one world government to control the whole world?

Businesses would fall because there would be less or no competition. This would cause inflation. Ownership of private property would be abolished.

Would we really want to live in a world like that? I think not.

Re: World government...then what?

cpx — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:18:55 GMT

I would guess something along the following lines:

Massive inefficiencies in the economy. Discontent because of lower standards of living.

A complete disconnect between citizens and the elite. Accompanied by massive protests, violent radical extremists.

Clashes between the government goons and private citizens turned amateur militia-men. Death.

Black markets arising out of desperation and as a revolt. Government tries to crack down with more violence.

Then.. I don't know. That last bit sounds a lot like the communist regimes in their final days. It won't last very long, that's for sure. If communism only managed to survive for about 70 years in Europe, when the most efficient modes of communication were telephones and post, that number will likely be much lower in an age where almost everyone in the western world owns a cell phone, a computer and a camera. Heck, all three can fit in a device the size of a deck of cards. Plus, the communication networks are completely decentralized. It used to be that the government could just tap into your phone line via your operator, or read your mail as it went through the post office. There's no chance they will be able to do that with millions of cheap, wireless, portable devices.

So basically, I think it will go to Hell and back, but it'll come back a lot faster than last time :)