Political Theory

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

JAlanKatz — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:10:36 GMT

Hairnet:
Who do we rent from?

Government. If you don't think the government is the real owner of "your" land, just try not paying the rent.

By the way, one can make some strong economic arguments from this fact. Notably, if land ownership is impossible, so is subsistence farming. All else being equal, this will drive down wages, and hence is a form of corporate welfare.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

AJ — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:43:54 GMT

Hairnet:

JAlanKatz:

AJ:
So buy some land, and maybe get a gun permit and an ID every 10 years or whatever. If you're way out in Wyoming or somewhere I don't think anyone will find out about any of that. It might be a risk, but probably way down on the list considering the situation you're talking about.

There is no such thing as buying land in the US. You are a renter, and have to pay rent each year or get evicted. You cannot live the kind of life he is talking about and have money to pay rent.

Who do we rent from?

The State I suppose.

Looks like I'm quite out of touch with this whole independent outdoor living thing, so I will shut up now.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

Jackson LaRose — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:42:54 GMT

Hairnet:
Who do we rent from?

The slumlord Uncle Sam

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

Praetyre — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:24:53 GMT

The state government, which is itself a subsidiary of the United States Government, which is more a form of corporate rule (compare to Commonwealth countries, where the Crown owns most of the land). The only thing missing is shareholders, unless you count people who buy treasury bonds and finance US debt.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

Hairnet — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:15:03 GMT

JAlanKatz:

AJ:
So buy some land, and maybe get a gun permit and an ID every 10 years or whatever. If you're way out in Wyoming or somewhere I don't think anyone will find out about any of that. It might be a risk, but probably way down on the list considering the situation you're talking about.

There is no such thing as buying land in the US. You are a renter, and have to pay rent each year or get evicted. You cannot live the kind of life he is talking about and have money to pay rent.

Who do we rent from?

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

Fephisto — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:44:42 GMT

Jackson LaRose:

Say tomorrow, your respective head of state sends you an email stating, "you and you alone have total carte blanche. Do whatever you want, we will completely leave you alone." Would you still want the state scaled back/abolished? Would you care anymore? Why or why not?

*check e-mail*

"Wow, this is obvious spam, why didn't Gmail catch this?"

*delete*

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

wilderness — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:43:05 GMT

AJ:
Well Jackson, on a personal note, I think there are ways to do what you want and have it work out fine, especially in some other country. I'm sure there are forums for such things.

I aspire to a similar life that Jackson talks about. I live part of it now, but the gov't still has those damn taxes and the regulations here to burn a simple small fire, even though I live in the woods, are just plain stupid. All the other arguments Jackson made as well. And what about chicks or the internet?...lol Cause it's the wilderness?

AJ. You sound just like a statist here, not meant to be pejorative. The love it or leave mentality, "...work out fine, especially in some other country...". God knows I've argued against the same mentality by gov't lovers that have visited this forum and other venues.

No sir. This is my property. The gov't can love that or leave it.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

Jackson LaRose — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:29:52 GMT

JAlanKatz:
You are a renter, and have to pay rent each year or get evicted. You cannot live the kind of life he is talking about and have money to pay rent.

That, in summation, is why I am against the government. Their policies have made simple subsistence impossible in my preferred geographic region of residence.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

JAlanKatz — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:20:49 GMT

AJ:
So buy some land, and maybe get a gun permit and an ID every 10 years or whatever. If you're way out in Wyoming or somewhere I don't think anyone will find out about any of that. It might be a risk, but probably way down on the list considering the situation you're talking about.

There is no such thing as buying land in the US. You are a renter, and have to pay rent each year or get evicted. You cannot live the kind of life he is talking about and have money to pay rent.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

Jackson LaRose — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:56:24 GMT

AJ:
Well Jackson, on a personal note, I think there are ways to do what you want and have it work out fine,

Yeah, it's possible.

AJ:
especially in some other country

I like the northeast. I've spent all my years familiarizing myself with the local flora and fauna. Moving would suck.

AJ:
I'm sure there are forums for such things.

Haven't really looked, but I don't doubt it.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

AJ — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:13:56 GMT

Well Jackson, on a personal note, I think there are ways to do what you want and have it work out fine, especially in some other country. I'm sure there are forums for such things.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

Jackson LaRose — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:04:34 GMT

AJ:
So buy some land,

I don't think they would accept oak leaves as payment for property tax.

AJ:
maybe get a gun permit and an ID every 10 years or whatever.

Without an address?

AJ:
If you're way out in Wyoming or somewhere I don't think anyone will find out about any of that.

So I get to move to a place I don't want to be, and become a fugitive? Wow, that does sound pretty awesome.

AJ:
It might be a risk, but probably way down on the list considering the situation you're talking about.

Believe me, I've lived with creeping paranoia about every action I've taken before (owned by the military for a while). It is not fun.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

AJ — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:58:03 GMT

So buy some land, and maybe get a gun permit and an ID every 10 years or whatever. If you're way out in Wyoming or somewhere I don't think anyone will find out about any of that. It might be a risk, but probably way down on the list considering the situation you're talking about.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

Jackson LaRose — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:35:43 GMT

AJ:
Sounds like a pretty good life then, but how is the State really stopping you from doing that now?

Let's see: squatting on someone else's land, or not paying property taxes, hunting out of season, fishing out of season, illegal snaring, illegal fires, possession of firearm, bow, or crossbow without license, hunting without license, fishing without license, being over 18 and not having current picture ID, the list really goes on and on.

Re: If The State Set You Free, Would You Still Want It Abolished?

AJ — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:30:44 GMT

Sounds like a pretty good life then, but how is the State really stopping you from doing that now?