Political Theory

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

garegin — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 03:26:13 GMT

wasnt it shakespare who coined that phrase?

i simply switched the words around.

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

wilderness — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:10:24 GMT

garegin:
or "matter before mind".

that's good.

I wonder what class of argumentation that might be considered. If it already has a name, because those kinds of arguments aren't really arguments all seem to be based on 'matter'. Whether it's race, sex, history as a form of matter (the data/facts/material events people present about history without any theory is interpret the reasons for all of those facts fitting one way or another), evolution or gene explanations that don't offer any theories or ideas, logical positivism, etc.... The arguments void of arguments that base everything on a 'thing' or matter.

That's a good point. Do you know if there is one name that fit's them all into one category?

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

garegin — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:55:20 GMT

or "matter before mind".

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

Andrew Cain — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:57:04 GMT

Or have a picture of Marx with

'False Consciousness' underneath.

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

Conza88 — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:16:42 GMT

"Karl Marx was bourgeois. The proletariat fell into the trap."

"Socialism is the opium of the masses."

lol..

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

Andrew Cain — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:53:38 GMT

Daniel Muffinburg:
"Karl Marx's sugar daddy was a capitalist."

You are a marketing genius.

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

garegin — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:37:29 GMT

expect that marxists wouldn't have a problem with that. they are not morally opposed to capitalism, social anarchists would though.

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

DanielMuff — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:23:16 GMT

garegin:

so they are ok for math and science but their logical faculties go haywire when they analyze political economics? let's not forget that engels was a capitalist who owned a factory and employed labor.

Someone should make a t-shirt that says:

"Karl Marx's sugar daddy was a capitalist."

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

garegin — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:14:42 GMT

unless he was consistent on polylogism and implicitly admitted that he was wrong.

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

Andrew Cain — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:10:45 GMT

garegin:
so they are ok for math and science but their logical faculties go haywire when they analyze political economics? let's not forget that engels was a capitalist who owned a factory and employed labor

Well, they are picky and inconsistent people. Prima facia the whole Marxist orthodoxy is inconsistent.

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

garegin — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:49:30 GMT

so they are ok for math and science but their logical faculties go haywire when they analyze political economics? let's not forget that engels was a capitalist who owned a factory and employed labor.

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

Andrew Cain — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:17:21 GMT

garegin:
right, but wouldnt this, according to marxians, also apply to math, science and computer programming? and if such a view is not held, what makes geology so different from political economy. if a bourgeois mind can correctly use logic to play chess, why cant he also do political economy?

Well the superstructure which is composed of social and political interaction is different for a bourgeois because there is a different economic base. Think of it like two different tree diagrams. One for bourgeois and the other for proletariat.

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

Giant_Joe — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:17:51 GMT

garegin:

if a bourgeois mind can correctly use logic to play chess, why cant he also do political economy?

Because he was born and raised in the bourgeois class. Behold the power of circular reasoning!

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

garegin — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:16:15 GMT

"But if I am reading you correctly, a bourgeois could not disprove Marxist philosophy because he is a bourgeois. It is like saying our 'tiny, little minds' cannot handle the shock and awesomeness that is Marxism. "

right, but wouldnt this, according to marxians, also apply to math, science and computer programming? and if such a view is not held, what makes geology so different from political economy. if a bourgeois mind can correctly use logic to play chess, why cant he also do political economy?

Re: do marxists really believe in polylogism

Andrew Cain — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:38:22 GMT

garegin:

im asking whether this also applies to other materialists

Depends on which materialists. They are pretty diverse in opinion.