Political Theory

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

garegin — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:39:24 GMT

marxism is a school of thought. their intellectual members still live bourgeois lives and do not wish to part with modern amenities to live in communes. i think you have anarchist socialists in your mind.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Andrew Cain — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:16:08 GMT

Novus Zarathustra:
What would happen? Would they try to continue their crusade and defy Capitalism?

I honestly think that Marxism will fail to develop intellectually but it will remain none the less.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Fox McCloud — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:40:54 GMT

I think they'd die out for the most part, except for small, voluntary communes; these wouldn't be hostile, at all, and would merely use persuasion to get you to join them, and not force.

I think it'd be very difficult for them to make any good arguments once we hit the ancap state (though personally I don't think we'll ever hit this), as it'd be self-evident by that point that it was deregulation and the lack of government that made society prosperous and peaceful and not the State.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

JAlanKatz — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:20:03 GMT

Novus Zarathustra:
Would they continue to try and overthrow all private property and then share it equally? There is less that they can do since there wont be laws protecting unions and minimum wage laws.

Um, most Marxists oppose (at least the full-scale ones) these things as band-aids on the capitalist system. I'd imagine that in an an-cap world, Marxists would try to live according to their beliefs. If there were enough of them, it might work, to a certain standard of living. If there were enough of them that I thought it would work, and they seemed to be honest Marxists, maybe I'd join them - I'm personally willing to give up some standard of living in exchange for lifestyle, but I'm not willing to do it in your behalf.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

JAlanKatz — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:17:47 GMT

Chris Pacia:
Ultimately I would expect the firms commissioned by everyone else to defend private property to round up the socialist that try this as criminals.

Well, then why don't we have an-cap now? Why didn't this kind of thing happen last time?

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Spideynw — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:41:42 GMT

Novus Zarathustra:

Would they continue to try and overthrow all private property and then share it equally? There is less that they can do since there wont be laws protecting unions and minimum wage laws.

What would happen? Would they try to continue their crusade and defy Capitalism?

The same thing that happened to the idea of owning slaves. The ideas would die off. Once people recognize that taxation is extortion, then it won't come back.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Nielsio — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:32:39 GMT

They would smoke weed 2.0 and realize all was good.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Old Mexican — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:21:52 GMT

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Marko — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:22:38 GMT

They would become environmentalists and anti-materialist as their conventional arguments against capitalism would be exposed as silly.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Joe — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:18:05 GMT

my guess is that they would try and form some type of commune. Maybe something similar to those 19th century 'utopian' communities.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Manestor — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:12:29 GMT

I believe they would just die out of starvation without state subsidies. That would be the end of it.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:07:20 GMT

I would even imagine socialist trying to set up governmental-type institutions by trying to get the gullible underclass to buy into their "free money" or "shared prosperity" schemes.

Ultimately I would expect the firms commissioned by everyone else to defend private property to round up the socialist that try this as criminals.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Merlin — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:55:24 GMT

Novus Zarathustra:

Would they continue to try and overthrow all private property and then share it equally? There is less that they can do since there wont be laws protecting unions and minimum wage laws.

What would happen? Would they try to continue their crusade and defy Capitalism?

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They’d fill TV shows and newspapers speaking of the “hollowness” of our material beigns and all such cr*p. A generation after the state-crash speaking in favor of laws do to this or that would be foolish. No one could even envision laws.

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

DanielMuff — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:08:26 GMT

Novus Zarathustra:

Would they continue to try and overthrow all private property and then share it equally? There is less that they can do since there wont be laws protecting unions and minimum wage laws.

What would happen? Would they try to continue their crusade and defy Capitalism?

What does it mean for an "AnCap society [to be] achieved?

Re: If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

Jonathan M. F. Catalán — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:05:51 GMT

Hung and quartered.

[I'm being facetious, just in case anybody takes this seriously.]