Political Theory

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Merlin — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:55:52 GMT

Of course it’s a parent’s right, just as ruining one’s own children’s life is.

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Eric080 — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 06:14:16 GMT

@Joe, the reason I said it was indoctrination was because the kids were being forced into sexual relationships with people they didn't want to marry in their pre-pubescent years. I don't know if that's "indoctrination", but I was just saying that they were being forced into a harmful situation because of religious fundamentalism. It was basically akin to rape, at least that's how I remember it.

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

William — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 04:32:26 GMT

Agreed.

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Clayton -

good call. It may take me a day or 2 to give a proper response to the ethcs thread, as I am a bit busy (in the middle of a move)

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Laotzu del Zinn — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 04:00:33 GMT

I will teach them to study it and find out for themselves. Im not in the business of trying to convince my kids I am God and all-knowing. Communism may not be valid to you or I, but there were persons under that system that it was very valid, and rewarding to.

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Ahmed — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 03:58:09 GMT

Teaching your kids your beliefs is natural. The only time I have a problem is when teach them that your beliefs are the only valid ones.

Why should that be an issue, do/will you teach your children that communism, facism, etc are valid governing systems?

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Clayton — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:54:48 GMT

This thread's pointless.

Agreed.

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Clayton -

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Libertyandlife — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:33:12 GMT

If you can't teach your child your beliefs, you can't teach them anything. Besides everyone knows plenty of people who have embraced or rejected their parents religions. Even if it was "abuse", how are you going to regulate it? This thread's pointless.

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Laotzu del Zinn — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:49:35 GMT

since the only obvious answer-- and I am VERY sure Dawkins would agree with this-- is to have the state make the teaching of religion illegal in one's own household.

How can you be very sure about something in which you have no evidence? Oh wait, God.... Either way, please provide evidence that Dawkins wants to force people not to believe in religion. He may be an arrogant buffon, but I have seen nothing that says he would outlaw religion.

Just because someone might have a grudge against their Creator, or against organized religion (or just an unshakeable belief in their own self- righteousness)

You certainly have an un-biased view on athiests.... No, it has nothing to do w the God paradox, or the idea that any kind of creator/actor god is logically impossible, and mentally incoherent. No, it is in their "unshakeable belief in their own self-righteousness." HAHA, get over the indoctrination friend, most athiests have no problem with the religous other than that they think its silly. You're basing your view off the loud athiests, which is like basing religion off the loud religous (all religous people want to blow up other religions, and dont believe in evolution would be a stupid argument).

to raise their children without any interference from Dr. Dawkins

Would you use the state to stop him from teaching your kids about rationality?

Either way, no. Teaching your kids your beliefs is natural. The only time I have a problem is when teach them that your beliefs are the only valid ones. Even then, I only have a problem with it, it is not child abuse.

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Bert — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:34:54 GMT

A young child is indoctrinated by his/her Objectivist parents. What is the community to do?

Outside of religion, if a child is homeschooled, couldn't one claim the indoctrination of the child by their parents revisionist outlook on history, or their philosophy that wouldn't align with a public school's? It could just as well be the other way around as many claim.

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

MaikU — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:26:03 GMT

scineram:

You want them indoctrinated in rationalism instead?

more like, when christians whine that atheists "indoctrinate" their children that there is no god? Hm... let me look in a real world and find a unicorn... nope, there is none. So telling people there is no unicorns is not an "indoctrination" per se. You just trying invoke a straw man and take extreme cases.

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

MaikU — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:21:35 GMT

William:

P.S. anything and everything could be seen or not seen as indoctrination. It is a gibberish word.

above statement is gibberish.

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Caley McKibbin — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:41:41 GMT

All of the above.

Are you an abuse nihilist or exclude such deception from your definition of that particular word? Would you like a different word to describe 1 and 2?

I am saying that which one can not speak, one must remain silent.

English?

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

William — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:47:47 GMT

I am saying that which one can not speak, one must remain silent.

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Vichy Army — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:47:29 GMT

I don't know what that is supposed to mean. Are you saying that (1) teaching religion is not abuse, (2) teaching paedophilia is not abuse or (3) teaching anything is not abuse?

All of the above.

Re: Religious indoctrination of children. Is it child abuse or parent's right

Michelangelo — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:41:12 GMT

@Joe

When I made the quip about it being abuse for parents to enforce the reading of HA or no dinner I took it for granted that the parents entered (albeit not explicit) contract with the child to act as their caretakers, including giving meals, by virtue of having created the children. If the parents did not wish to raise the child, be it because they learn he's a Keynesian or whatever, then they are still obligated to announce that the role of caretaker is available for the child. One thing is for them to drop the kid off at an orphanage, another is to throw them into the basement and refuse wishful-caretakers the ability to retrieve the child.