Political Theory

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

MacFall — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:23:15 GMT

So according to the IP defenders, Hans-Hermann Hoppe is a commie.

Ha.

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

liberty student — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:53:02 GMT

Thanks Stephan.

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

nskinsella — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:53:40 GMT

Update for Hoppeans still clinging to IP: Hoppe Interview on Anarchy and Intellectual Property.

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

liberty student — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 23:22:09 GMT

kwalla:
Morality is objective. EOD.

Check your premises.

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

Live_Free_Or_Die — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:57:09 GMT

Was 911 an inside job?

How about instead of some off the wall, irrelevant question, ask something sensible like... is the 911 Official Report accurate?

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

MaikU — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:47:25 GMT

kwalla:

"position that says there is no objective morality (intersubjective consensus at best) is obviously not the same as position that says that everything is subjective."

Objective means logical and reality oriented. If there is no objective moral, moral is just a matter of sucjective values.

"Also I don't understand why would you equate moral or total subjectivism with violence"

If there is no objective moral, the only way to find out what to do when you disagree with someone, is to use violence.

"Moral subjectivism does not claim there is no right or wrong BTW."

So what does it claim?

not all here on mises.org are moral relativists. I am myself moral objectivist and I believe in objective morality and ethics (to some degree).

And I am also anti-IP. The reason is simple - it is not scarce.

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

MaikU — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:43:15 GMT

Was 911 an inside job?

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

I. Ryan — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:22:30 GMT

kwalla:

Morality is objective. EOD.

But I thought that the discussion already ended!

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

yuberries — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:13:42 GMT

kwalla:

Morality is objective. EOD.

Just to piss you off:

911 was an inside job. EOD. lol

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

MacFall — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:12:42 GMT

kwalla:
Morality is objective. EOD.

kwalla is a box of cornmeal. EOD.

Wow, I can make assertions too! But unfortunately for both of us, ASSERTIONS PROVE NOTHING.

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

JackCuyler — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:08:47 GMT

Morality is objective. EOD.

Wow. That is the perfect argument. Exteremely compelling. I've never seen someone convey so much with so few words. I was on the fence before, but now I'm convinced. Thanks!

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

kwalla — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:05:20 GMT

Morality is objective. EOD.

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

I. Ryan — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:25:11 GMT

kwalla:

Objective means logical and reality oriented.

Then I believe in everything objective!

kwalla:

If there is no objective moral, moral is just a matter of sucjective values.

At the most fundamental level, of course it does.

kwalla:

If there is no objective moral, the only way to find out what to do when you disagree with someone, is to use violence.

What if talking to them would work better?

kwalla:

So what does it claim?

In my previous post, I explained what Misesian subjectivism means.

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

kwalla — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:21:39 GMT

"position that says there is no objective morality (intersubjective consensus at best) is obviously not the same as position that says that everything is subjective."

Objective means logical and reality oriented. If there is no objective moral, moral is just a matter of sucjective values.

"Also I don't understand why would you equate moral or total subjectivism with violence"

If there is no objective moral, the only way to find out what to do when you disagree with someone, is to use violence.

"Moral subjectivism does not claim there is no right or wrong BTW."

So what does it claim?

Re: The Moral Basis for Intellectual Property

I. Ryan — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:13:24 GMT

Onar Am:

If there is no such thing as right and wrong, then how do we decide what to do?

Actually, to Misesians, subjectivism means that there isn't such a thing as right and wrong apart from the preferences of somebody, not just that there isn't such a thing as right and wrong at all. I can't think of a more uncharitable interpretation of Misesian subjectivism than what Onar Am gives above. Hopefully he was talking about something else.