Political Theory

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

John Ess — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:33:48 GMT

sound similar to my anarcho-keynesian idea.

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Jack Roberts — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:22:55 GMT

Fascism from how i understand it, italian fascism. Is actually a merger between private and public. It is when the the state restricts competition and operates a business but within a private framework, ie for profit and sometimes even amongst competition at times. So anarcho-fascism could technically never exist by that definition of fascism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Fascism#Economy

People of the time apparently started to associate the term fascism with nazi'ism, at the time fascism was more popular than socialism. Which is what nazi'ism was actually practising, totalitarian socialism. But when fascism came synonymous with Mussolini and nazi'ism all the countries that were using at the time, from south America to Europe. They all changed to fabian socialism. Which was all about democracy and then the new enemy became communism. To put it basically.

Moreover, Italian Fascism was (officially) neither atheist nor racist — provided the colonized folk agreed to Italianisation and swore fealty to Il Duce, (See: Racial classification).^[59] Just as Italian Jews were allowed membership in the National Fascist Party, in metropolitan Italy,^[61]^[62] in the Libyan colony, Muslims were Fascist Party members via the Muslim Association of the Lictor.^[63] In a unity ceremony, a Libyan chief awarded Prime Minister Mussolini an ancient Yemeni Sword of Islam artefact.^[64] East Africans were allowed to serve with Italians in the MVSN Colonial Militia.^[65]

So in some ways fascism in an economic and political sense got labelled with the racism and dictatorship brush. When realy it was just a different type of government system. Which was unfortunate enough to have such evil and despotic people as Mussolini use it. People get very annoyed with me when i point all this out, especially when i call nazi'ism totalitarian socialism, because that is essentially what current modern day western government practice, totalitarian socialism but there is still aspect of fascism left in today's political systems or governments.

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

NinKenDo — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:20:11 GMT

I think there's a very big misunderstanding of what Anarcho-Fascism is around here. Anarcho-Fascism is NOT National-Anarchism.

National-Anarchism is closer to Anarcho-Syndicalism with blatant, express racism.

Anarcho-Fascism seems to have used the word "Fascism" rather loosely to mjean "Totalitarian".

I honestly don't know why I'm talking so much about an ideology which was most likely invented as joke or satire, but here I am.

The point is Anarcho-Fascism is not National-Anarchism.

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Bert — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:59:52 GMT

Ha, I forgot about Hammerskins. Ironically there's this bar/club around here that ended up becoming a "Hammerskins," the irony , to my surprise, is that years prior The Casualties played there (before they totally sucked) and things were getting "out of hand."

EDIT: Had to look this up, name is actually Hammerheads, but their logo looked pretty R.A.C. to me.

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Birthday Pony — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:49:57 GMT

It's the same kids, or their younger brothers (or their sons in some cases) that were hammerskins trying to sexy up their neo-fascism with anarchist rhetoric. They'll pull out all the stops trying to convince you otherwise, but the connection between nationalist anarchists and other groups like NSM is so obvious their claims are laughable. I think there's about a dozen of these fuckers total.*

*(guessing, but from a vague memory of reading about it, so it's an educated guess, not an attempt at demonization. I left that part to calling them fuckers.)

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Minarchist — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:09:04 GMT

And?

And if you were responding to my comment, suggesting that I was misusing "socialism," then perhaps you would say why/how? Or not, just thought you might have something to say.

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Malachi — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:41:19 GMT

And now you have to do something because the state.

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Bert — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:34:15 GMT

And?

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Minarchist — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:02:43 GMT

In a way, yes.

....and?

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Bert — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 06:48:15 GMT

In a way, yes.

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Minarchist — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 05:56:24 GMT

Just as you cannot attach "socialism" to anything and have it mean something, just as those early anarchist were socialists, etc.

Were you responding to me? If so, not sure what your point is - that I've misused the term socialism?

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

NinKenDo — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:14:04 GMT

Of course you can attach Anarcho and Fasism together. The ideology is that you bring about Anarchism via a totalitarian State, so it makes "sense" internally.

Likg I said, this isn't as unorthodox as it first appears considering Marxian Communism aims for this.

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Bert — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:32:22 GMT

Just as you cannot attach "socialism" to anything and have it mean something, just as those early anarchist were socialists, etc.

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

Minarchist — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:58:20 GMT

You can't just attach "anarcho-" to anything and have it mean something. Fascism is socialism is the antithesis of any kind of stateless society.

Re: Anarcho-Fascism

NinKenDo — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:56:11 GMT

National-Anarchism is not the same as Anarcho-Fascism.

It's unclear whether Anarcho-Fascism was ever a serious train of thought in anybody's mind or was just satire.

Assuming it was, the basic idea is that Anarchism must be brought about through rigid authoritarianism; not as unorthdox as it sounds, since this is essentially what Communism aimed for. Though the "brand" of Anarchism which Anarcho-Fascism aims for is unclear. I'm assuming it's probably some kind of Propertarian one.