Political Theory

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Yanick Toutain — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:41:09 GMT

bbnet Yo no intiendo Frenglish ...

Do better than Altavista-Systran !

Do better than Google !

Be an Innovating !

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

bbnet — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 12:54:52 GMT

Yo no intiendo Frenglish ...

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Yanick Toutain — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:37:12 GMT

I often explain that the society for which we must work to have a function that allows the new Larry Page and Sergey Brin of the new design, manufacture and distribute new Google. (In the same way as the new Walt Disney etc ...)
In this case, the Roboogle - the Google robot - is so efficient that it enabled me as a rebel known to rise, rise, rise, on the search pages so much that I once EXCEED wikipedia page which I criticized the content. (In the physical concept of inertia, and in defense of Newton's concept of absolute velocity)
As I am - for over 30 years - a fan of the books "Foundation" by Isaac Asimov, it was natural that Roboogle starts on our side to prepare for the abolition of capitalism.
And therefore, it could happen that do wickedly ROBOT MADE disappear one of my comments.
I spent almost 3 / 4 hours to give you plenty of links to my texts on the liberal-egalitarianism. Texts which I published address by including the LINK via Google translate.

If you have no history or access to temporary files, I will agree to consider your word of honor that no human being has done something to erase and destroy this long comment.

Postscript
Adding to the laws of robotics (Isaac Asimov)
Numeo Act 1: - Any robot computer MUST NOT take the initiative to delete a text written by a HUMAN BEING.
Law No. 2 - Any robot computer MUST take the precaution of storing a duplicate of any message received - in a distinct memory area in order to be able to justify not breaking the law No. 1
Law No. 3 - Any robot computer working as ROBOT TELEMATICS must keep a record of its trade with other robots TELEMATICS so that he can not justify breaking the law number 2

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Yanick Toutain — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:31:42 GMT

@Micah71381

I am working on English version : (wait a few seconds)

J'explique souvent que la société pour laquelle nous devons travailler doit avoir un fonctionnement qui permette à des nouveaux Larry Page et des nouveaux Sergey Brin de concevoir, fabriquer et diffuser de nouveaux Google. (de la même façon que des nouveaux Walt Disney etc...)
En l'occurrence, le Roboogle - le robot Google - est tellement efficient qu'il a permis à un rebelle inconnu comme moi de monter, monter, monter, sur les pages de recherche à tel point qu'il m'est arrivé de DEPASSER une page wikipédia dont je critiquais le contenu. (en physique sur le notion d'inertie, et en défense du concept de Newton de vitesse absolue)
Comme je suis - depuis plus de 30 ans - un fan des livres "Fondation" de Isaac Asimov, il était donc normal qu'un Roboogle se mette de notre côté pour préparer l'ABOLITION DU CAPITALISME.
Et donc, il pouvait arriver qu'un ROBOT MISES fasse méchamment disparaitre un de mes commentaires.
J'avais passé près de 3/4 d'heures pour vous donner PLEINS de liens vers mes textes sur le libéral-égalitarisme. Des textes dont je publiais l'adresse en incluant le LIEN passant par Google translate.

Si vous n'avez pas d'HISTORIQUE ni accès à des FICHIERS TEMPORAIRES, j'accepterai de considérer votre parole d'honneur que AUCUN ETRE HUMAIN n'est intervenu pour EFFACER et DETRUIRE CE LONG TRAVAIL.

Post scriptum
Ajout aux lois de la robotique ( de Isaac Asimov)
loi numéo 1 : - Tout robot informatique de DOIT JAMAIS prendre l'initiative d'EFFACER les propos d'un ETRE HUMAIN.
loi numéro 2 - Tout robot informatique DOIT prendre la précaution de STOCKER un DOUBLE exemplaire de tout MESSAGE reçu - dans une ZONE MEMOIRE disctinte, de façon à pouvoir se justifier de ne pas avoir ENFREINT la loi N°1
loi numéro 3 - Tout robot informatique travaillant en tant que ROBOT TELEMATIQUE doit conserver un HISTORIQUE de ses échanges avec les AUTRE ROBOTS TELEMATIQUE de telle façon qu'il puisse se justifier de ne pas avoir enfreint la loi numéro 2

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Yanick Toutain — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:10:59 GMT

@Terrigan

Thank you for the explanation.
I have given the details above.
I am SURE that my long comment has been SENDED and has been RECEIVED : the machine said to me to "wait for approval".
All this would be simpler if you adopt the functioning of the newspaper "liberal-capitalist" French "Le Figaro".
When you publish a comment, it can be censored. But in my personal LETTER BOX (on their site) I can see all the comments I posted.
1 ° those who are waiting to be validated.
2 ° those who have been validated
3 and also those who were censored.
This operation is much simpler. (Assuming we accept the right of censorship to a publisher)

I prefer the system of "HELL pages " (garbage-pages without Google indexing) that allows everyone to see the contents of the rotten texts and allows "banned people" to protest.
On my blogspot I keep all the comments I have refused to (one day) publish them in HELL when Google will add this feature on blogspot.

Merci pour l'explication.
J'ai donné les détails ci-dessus.
Je suis sûr que mon long commentaire a bien été envoyé et a été reçu: la machine m'a dit "d'attendre pour approbation».
Tout cela serait plus simple si vous adoptiez le fonctionnement du journal "libéral-capitaliste" français "Le Figaro".
Lorsque vous publiez un commentaire, il peut être censuré. Mais dans ma boîte aux lettres personnelle (sur leur site) je peux voir tous les commentaires que j'ai posté.
1 ° ceux qui sont en attente de validation.
2 ° ceux qui ont été validés
3 et aussi ceux qui ont été censurés.
Cette opération est beaucoup plus simple. (En supposant que nous acceptions le droit de censure à un éditeur)

Je préfère le système de «pages enfer " (pages-poubelles sans indexation de Google) qui permet à chacun de voir le contenu des textes pourris et permet aux «personnes interdites" de protester.
Sur mon blogspot je garde tous les commentaires que j'ai refusés pour pouvoir (un jour) les publier dans l'enfer quand Google va ajouter cette fonctionnalité sur blogspot.

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Micah71381 — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:59:27 GMT

If I had to guess, it is some kind of automated anti-spam mechanism. My guess is your message was lost when you received that alert and you will have to post it again. I doubt it was stored or saved anywhere. Since you are able to post it sounds like your account has been "approved" so you shouldn't get that message anymore.

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Yanick Toutain — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:54:21 GMT

Just after the LAST one, a message appeared :
The message says that my message must wait to be approved.
(When I posted the first ones, they appeared immediately.

It is strange that YOU ASKED me.
All my messages ARE in you sute.
Even the last one I am waiting for.

This is proof that someone has cleared it.
If this is not you who committed it, you certainly skills necessary to display the entire history of my connections on your site and the history of all my items comments.
It should even exist a memory that stores all originals. (even those "moderates" who do not appear on the public page).

(written with a little help of my .... "Google translate")

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Yanick Toutain — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:44:24 GMT

@ Micah71381 replied on 03-31-2011 9:47 PM

I see two posts from you in this thread:

http://mises.org/Community/forums/p/23045/410124.aspx#410124
http://mises.org/Community/forums/p/23045/410118.aspx#410118

Neither of them appear to be censored at first glance, are they somehow incomplete or did you have another post that was removed?

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Terrigan — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:00:49 GMT

The forum software here is a bit screwy sometimes, I've had some significant problems myself in the past.

I'm pretty sure there isn't any sort of "approval" period for posts, so I think maybe it's a technical problem?

If you've got something, try posting it again.

I recently had trouble with trying to post from a text file--had to run it through a txt-to-html webpage tool to get line breaks to show up.

Make sure the "console" (you know, with stuff like font selection) shows up in the text posting window.

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

krazotto2 — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:59:23 GMT

interesting information!!! thank you!!!

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Micah71381 — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:47:37 GMT

I see two posts from you in this thread:

http://mises.org/Community/forums/p/23045/410124.aspx#410124
http://mises.org/Community/forums/p/23045/410118.aspx#410118

Neither of them appear to be censored at first glance, are they somehow incomplete or did you have another post that was removed?

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Yanick Toutain — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:00:09 GMT

After two days of waiting, my last comment is still censored.
I can be patient, while people use ironic jokes about my comments and while a fascist censorship is exercised against my explanations.
Mises is turning in his grave.

Après deux jours d'attente, mon dernier commentaire est toujours censuré.
Je peux être patient, alors que les gens utilisent des plaisanteries ironiques quant à mes commentaires et pendant qu'une censure fasciste est exercée contre mes explications.
Mises se retourne dans sa tombe !

Re: Get a hold of this debate???

Terrigan — Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:34:49 GMT

Yanick Toutain:

Since the end of December 2010, André Shi-Franc pretends to share our ideas, our analysis, our program.
An appearance that his later writings come to shatter.

Good gravy, it's like watching the November revolution, only with significantly more parents' basements.

Re: Get a whole of this debate???

CrazyCoot — Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:22:38 GMT

Just kidding, Drew. Relish being unique. Use logic ruthlessly and take no prisoners. And girls dig that, too.

Good work on your debate, btw"

Yeah, the girls at my high school were all over the Lincoln-Douglas squad. Resolved: It is morally correct to tap that."

Re: Get a whole of this debate???

Valject — Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:02:03 GMT

I don't think the aggressive attitude in this thread is conducive to discussion.

(Cool. But I do.)

For starters, swearing at him, calling him names, etc. will lead readers to believe our (the austrian/libertarian) stance is logically unsound and we have to resort appealing to riddicule in order to win an argument.

(Will it? My opinion is different. I am of the mindset that those who read critically can form their own conclusion regardless of what some asshole named Valject is sputtering at some poor schmuck. And those who show up with no willingness to challenge their own convictions will not gain anything from any discussion, no matter how many buckets of logic are poured onto their burning idealism. In turn, I believe that the best method is combine logical refutation with ridicule. Make the enemy of logic a glowing beacon of disdain, I say. And why not? I was shunned by grown men and women, and made an outcast in elementary school, all because I was able to outsmart my teachers. Petty revenge, perhaps, but it suits me fine. I am not above calling someone an idiot. Of course, in this particular case, I'm only attacking the specific ideal of the person in question. I'm fairly certain that many intelligent people are capable of making logical blunders and supporting ludicrous ideals.)

Also, he is unlikely to come back and discuss (or maybe even read) this thread if everyone is just being "mean" rather than constructively discussing ideas.

(But I'm not one for caring about that sort of thing. Especially when all the mean criticism was, nonetheless, constructive criticism. )

I do not personally agree with his stance for a number of reasons but that doesn't mean I am going to rudely yell at him as my means of proving him wrong.

(But is anyone truly doing that? I would enjoy throwing down some "your mom" insults, yes, but not as much as building a sarcastically indignant refutation.)

We will get a lot further by arguing points logically and calmly.

(I was never able to put sense into a fools brain. I tried. Many, many times, I tried. Seventy-six hours of destroying the foundations of any argument a fool might make...and it turns out a good backhand does the trick in seconds. On the other hand, it's nice to know there's a fair few people like you to offset people like me. I am, and I make no bones about it, a bastard. I tip my hat to those who are patient enough to be nice. I burned that fuel long ago.)