Political Theory

Re: Israel >>>>>>> Palestine

Mike99 — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 07:44:28 GMT

I take no sides but the side of the children. However, in the case of Palestine it's pretty clear they have no army, no resources, and are being genocided. There's plenty of evidence and testimony and coverage of this in the alternative media. Nobody is justifying aggression against Israel - the point is, no one is justifying aggression against *anyone*. Especially kids.

But in favour of balance, I can't resist posting this. It is just a window into the bias and some of the nonsensical irrational insanity that goes on. People need to grow up. Those people live there, you can't come and claim their land on some Bible story. It's just a pragmatic thing. You can't hate people and use anti-semitsim to genocide someone else now.

Again, it should not need to be said, people should nto be so sensitive - I'm not saying they are here, but just in case, this has nothing to do with taking sides of Israel or Palestine or anyone else, I view this as a human thing. One group is justifying aggression against another. Two wrongs don't make a right. Anyway, check this out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AiijlI9bq4E

Re: Israel >>>>>>> Palestine

Neodoxy — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 05:42:51 GMT

Can't we all just agree that they're both pretty terrible? I also have to say that inevitably a lot of Palestine's problems as they exist can be put down to the action of Israel, but at the same time judging by the state of other Arabic countries there seems to be little reason to be little reason to believe that things would have been that much better in the absence of Israel.

Re: Israel >>>>>>> Palestine

Mike99 — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 05:34:09 GMT

Have you seen this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98JDKB-Qmxs

And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3jtxT9wOo8

Get to the part where the journalists are apologising straight up for lying and causing the start of a war. You know I could find any crazy group of people to jump around and cheer and burn a flag. I could pay them, maybe they are just crazy, so now you condemn a whole people to genocide.

For the record I don't think any countries political regime is representative of the people of that country.

have you seen this for one example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYjuUoEivbE

These wars and atrocities are just a few lunatics and their media system who propagate most of this stuff - and of course the zombie followers who dance around on both sides of the fence. Meanwhile the children suffer, which is the real point most fail to see, too busy fighting.

Oh and read my avatar. The enemy is closer to home, although, have you seen THIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRZSzdQuOqM

And at the top of the pyramid, there are no nations, only elite money interests, and they don't have national loyalties, that's just a fact. Nationalistic terms are redundant when it comes to discussing these things. It's about who is being manipulated to hurt who and why. Historical nonsense and religious fanaticism is just a tool of the manipulators. Otherwise it has no purpose in reality.

Re: Israel >>>>>>> Palestine

Kelvin Silva — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:25:02 GMT

I wish theyd just stop killing each other. I hate it when people talk about, country X > y, like its a fucking football game or another sport. Its people's lives we are talking about here. No matter what religion, no matter whether they are red, white, blue or brown, they should just stop killing each other.

Re: Israel >>>>>>> Palestine

Anenome — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 01:13:11 GMT

Michelangelo:

Why is it that the alledged barbarians are more free than glorious Israel?

You have to ask yourself what regulations actually are. They are a way for the ruling oligarchy to extract money out of the population.

Most arab countries have little need for this since their golden goose is the pond of oil they walk on. Israel however, like most western nations, extracts money from legitimate business within their bounds, thus we should expect a tougher regulatory climate. No contradiction at all.

Re: Israel >>>>>>> Palestine

Michelangelo — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:08:13 GMT

Under the latest report by the Fraser Institute Israel ranks 52^nd in the world in economic freedom, next to Central American 'bastions of freedom' like Nicaragua (tied for 52^nd), Guatemala (55^th), El Salvador (56^th), and Honduras (tied for 52^nd).

Middle Eastern countries like Bahrain (7^th), the United Arab Emirates (11^th), Qatar (17^th), Kuwait (19^th), Oman (20^th), and Jordan, (23^rd) are all more economically free than Israel.

Why is it that the alledged barbarians are more free than glorious Israel?

Re: Israel >>>>>>> Palestine

Wheylous — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 19:49:57 GMT

Do you think I care on an economic focussed forum what you think about isreal?

To be fair, we discuss political theory broadly

Re: Israel >>>>>>> Palestine

Willy Truth — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 19:38:28 GMT

Primitive savages? Palestine is nothing more than a product of isolationism. I'll admit that fundamental Islam may not be compatible with peaceful free markets simply because of their authoritarian underpinnings, but this is only exacerbated by foreign presences.

Market isolation --> Lack of opportunity/education --> Cyclical poverty cycles --> Instability --> Hostility --> "Better bomb them"

Also this is rather inconsistent with the normal trollings--shouldn't you be pro Palestine?

Re: Israel >>>>>>> Palestine

Jack Roberts — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 11:07:51 GMT

Seriously, do we need another thread about this topic?

Do you have to use >>>> in the topic title ?

Do you think I care on an economic focussed forum what you think about isreal?

You didn't even have much to say, just your opinion about isreal. Please put more effort in to your threads.

Israel >>>>>>> Palestine

greenbabe — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 08:50:32 GMT

I sympathized with both sides until 9/11. When the Palestinians unanimously cheered at the murder of so many innocent people I made my decision - Israel is right, they are surrounded by primitive savages, and the world needs to remember that.