Political Theory

Re: If “no taxation without representation” were applied...

shackleford — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:32:54 GMT

QuisCustodiet:

Fellas, fellas. This is what Halloween is for. Kevin can be a tanker and Wheylous can be a dinosaur. I'd like to be an astronaut.

Reminds me of the Outer Limits episode where the super-advanced aliens were dinosaurs - yes, dinosaurs. In fact, they were astronaut dinosaurs.

Re: If “no taxation without representation” were applied...

QuisCustodiet — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:42:21 GMT

Fellas, fellas. This is what Halloween is for. Kevin can be a tanker and Wheylous can be a dinosaur. I'd like to be an astronaut.

Re: If “no taxation without representation” were applied...

Wheylous — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:49:36 GMT

I wanna be a dinosaur.

Re: If “no taxation without representation” were applied...

Kelvin Silva — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:27:59 GMT

I want to be a tanker.

THeres no college degree for that.

Re: If “no taxation without representation” were applied...

Malachi — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:54:06 GMT

Dont go to college unless you know more or less what you want. But do graduate high school. Use this time to develop actual capitalist skills, like peddling on ebay and crafts.

Re: If “no taxation without representation” were applied...

Kelvin Silva — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:51:59 GMT

What do you think the minimum wage, compulsory schooling, student loan subsidies, and child labour laws are for? To prevent younger people from competing with and undercutting older people (i.e those already established and entrenched).

Anyway, I think the phrase 'no taxation without representation' should also be reversed: 'no representation without taxation'. If you want to be party to a body that necessarily confiscates property, it should be your own property at stake, not just other people's.

And youre telling this to a bored 15 year old that does not want to give 5 fucks about school, and wants to launch self into labor force.

But wait! You need college for that, and for college, you need high school.

No one is ever going to take your resume seriously if you don't go to college!

I am now sad.

Re: If “no taxation without representation” were applied...

Aristippus — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:08:42 GMT

That, or we could raise the age you can start working to 35 until unemployment drops below 5%

What do you think the minimum wage, compulsory schooling, student loan subsidies, and child labour laws are for? To prevent younger people from competing with and undercutting older people (i.e those already established and entrenched).

Anyway, I think the phrase 'no taxation without representation' should also be reversed: 'no representation without taxation'. If you want to be party to a body that necessarily confiscates property, it should be your own property at stake, not just other people's.

Re: If “no taxation without representation” were applied...

Wheylous — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:14:33 GMT

10/10 for finding an inconsistency in statist logic!

If “no taxation without representation” were applied...

QuisCustodiet — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:02:48 GMT

...a lot of people would be off the hook – for the time being, anyway. To name just a few who would, teenagers under age 18, non-citizen immigrants, and tourists. "No taxation without representation" says that if you can vote for your representatives, taxation (or anything else the state requires of you for that matter) is just. If someone accepts that as a premise, they must conclude that these groups of unrepresented people be untaxed on income, sales, property, excises, etc.

Critics might argue, "Yeah but, foreigners choose to come here; I’ve always been here." So you’re saying that by virtue of an unrepresented person living under a given government, they’re consenting to being taxed? Then you’re rejecting the argument of "no taxation without representation"! You're saying anyone who argued that throughout US history (colonists, women, etc.) had no argument because they could have just moved.

Besides, why do foreigners want to come here? to be governed by the government? Is that the only reason you’re still here? Or are you still here so you can be with your family, work a job, and enjoy your private property? Sure, some come here because the government here is better than the one of their homelands. But who needs government when you’ve got markets?! Have you read any Rothbard?! (Yeah, I wouldn’t recommend this segue :P)

Also, what about teenagers? Strike that, not just teenagers. Anyone who wasn’t eligible the vote in the most recent election. If there were "no taxation without representation," you’d have two choices: exempt these people or kick/keep them all out. And when I say them, I mean your teenage kid, too. After all, that kid probably took someone’s job. Damn kids, ruinin' Amurica. We got unemployment here. That, or we could raise the age you can start working to 35 until unemployment drops below 5%. After all, older people were here first! Yreah!!