Political Theory

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

Autolykos — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 19:18:48 GMT

Since I think it's unlikely that an actual drill would be going on at the same time and place as the Boston Marathon, the implication of the claim of such a coincident drill implies to me that there was an active investigation afoot. That, in turn, implies to me that there was some prior suspicion on the part of "the government" that a bombing would occur at the Boston Marathon. However, I think the whole rationale for the police lying to people being to prevent panic is bogus. It seems to me that "panic" in this context means "the police not feeling like they're in control". So really the rationale for the police lying to people is to make sure that the police still feel like they're in control (if possible). On the other hand, if "the government" was so suspicious of mayhem occurring at the Boston Marathon, why didn't it ask or demand the organizers of the Marathon to shut it down?

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

Autolykos — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:09:09 GMT

Aristophanes:
It seems you missed this post of mine.

I did.

Ah okay. No problem.

Aristophanes:
What effect do you expect this to have on me, exactly?

How about I take it back and refer to my missing your post? As long as you aren't buying it hook line and sinker like JJ the eunuch, we're good.

I think that's fair enough.

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

gotlucky — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:54:18 GMT

I'm not sure I even know who is arguing for what. What I do know is I don't want to know.

However, this thread is great for comedy.

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

Aristophanes — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:51:56 GMT

It seems you missed this post of mine.

I did.

What effect do you expect this to have on me, exactly?

How about I take it back and refer to my missing your post? As long as you aren't buying it hook line and sinker like JJ the eunuch, we're good.

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

John James — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:43:57 GMT

Autolykos:
I also think it's likely that he doesn't have any actual sources for his alleged knowledge. If that's indeed the case, then I think it's inaccurate for him to claim knowledge there, as opposed to making statements of belief (like I have).

pah! Statements of "belief". That's for douchebag idiot morons who don't watch the right guys on youtube. No no. You just don't get it, Auto. See when you "read books", and "study this", you know shit. Just like the book on the Boston Marathon bombings Phany read right before this thread started. He got it from a guy whom he's never seen, only heard in the darkness of shadows...goes by the name Abyssal Esophagus. He supplied him with the Boston Marathon bombing's manula. It tells you everything.

Aristophanes:
Cops are known to be liars.

Aristophanes:
Why don't you ask a fucking cop about how they handle highly public unconfirmed bomb threats? [...] I think you are a total dumbass.

See? You're just too much of a simpleton to get it, Auto. You need to be a super cool secret spy guy to be able to reach the even past the second level of the Matrix. But if you ever hope to reach level 89 like this guy, you're gonna have to start watching youtube.

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

Autolykos — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:40:17 GMT

Aristophanes:
Why don't you ask a fucking cop about how they handle highly public unconfirmed bomb threats? Do you think they are gonna tell people, "FREAK OUT WE DON't KNOW IF or WHERE there is a bomb!" I'm sure it is in a manual somewhere, but I'm not gonna find it.

It seems you missed this post of mine.

Aristophanes:
And I think you are a total dumbass.

What effect do you expect this to have on me, exactly?

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

Aristophanes — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:36:03 GMT

@JJ

haha. yeah forget the CIA manual written on how to conduct terrorism that I tried to get you to glance at.

1s and 0s you ball-less dumb fuck. Did you search the binary for 'em? Were they in the search bar?

@Auto

Why don't you ask a fucking cop about how they handle highly public unconfirmed bomb threats? Do you think they are gonna tell people, "FREAK OUT WE DON't KNOW IF or WHERE there is a bomb!" I'm sure it is in a manual somewhere, but I'm not gonna find it. And I think you are a total dumbass.

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

Autolykos — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:31:37 GMT

John James:
Oh wouldn't we all. Too bad he doesn't have any. Unless you count douchebags on youtube telling him so. But wait...they're totally legit. One of them gave a speech at one point. JUST LIKE RON PAUL!!

I also think it's likely that he doesn't have any actual sources for his alleged knowledge. If that's indeed the case, then I think it's inaccurate for him to claim knowledge there, as opposed to making statements of belief (like I have).

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

Jack Roberts — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:54:16 GMT

I would not say that it was "the government" but rather the security industry itself. Which includes DHS/TSA/other government alphabet groups/local anti-terror groups and other local police and so on.

The motive is to further interest in the security industry and everything that includes. Every few years they let off a bomb or two to increase the requirement for additional security. Of course the solution is always to give the security industry more money and more power to take away our liberties.

Instead of the media saying that the security failed and even though they spend $100 billions per year on security and apparently monitor all our communications with the justification of stopping terrorist attacks. People still manage to get past this massive anti-terror infrasturcture and blow up some bombs. That seems far less likely than the security industry itself being behind the bombs.

Some people struggle to accept this line of thought and think that the people in these organisations are angels. They also can not comprehend how such a thing could occur. It is not like the DHS has a massive conference where they all get together and talk about killing people with bombs to further interest in the security industry. It is far more subtle than that, it just a small rogue group that gets some patsies or similar to do, often pretending it is a drill or similar, hiding the operation behind a clock of a lies and trickery. Then then investigate it themselves and obviously the FBI does not even consider this possibilty they just look for a cliche terrorist that fits the criteria that will further their interests.

The only thing more cliche than the terrorist is the terrorist attacks. Bombs at the boston marathon, on please, which PR giant thought of that one. Underpants bomber, oh please, i wonder which top psy op PR firm thought of that one....

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

John James — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:33:13 GMT

Aristophanes:
haha, yeah, put words in my mouth.

Is that not the basis for your entire attack? Again, the fourth post in this entire thread was me essentially saying don't be hasty.

I castrated you in this thread, you know.

By putting "bro" at the end of a nonsense question and pasting it a bunch of times? Or by a bunch of personal insults and name calling? That sure seems all you're capable of.

Oh that and watching douchebags on youtube tell you what to think and just regurgitating it. While you insult people for using the Internet to source information. Can't forget that. That one's extra impressive.

Autolykos:
I'd still like Aristophanes to provide his source(s) for his claims of knowledge (as opposed to statements of belief) in this context.

Oh wouldn't we all. Too bad he doesn't have any. Unless you count douchebags on youtube telling him so. But wait...they're totally legit. One of them gave a speech at one point. JUST LIKE RON PAUL!!

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

Autolykos — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:09:00 GMT

Okay, I've been doing some more thinking about this. At this point, I find it harder to believe that there just happened to be a drill going on coincident with the Boston Marathon than to believe that the claim of there being a drill was an excuse for the added (and obvious) police presence. While I think that's a poor excuse, given how many people reflexively believe whatever police tell them, it seems quite likely to me to work nonetheless.

That being said, I'd still like Aristophanes to provide his source(s) for his claims of knowledge (as opposed to statements of belief) in this context.

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

NonAntiAnarchist — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:46:57 GMT

They were in a shootout witht eh 2 suspects, yet 1 somehow got away..

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

NonAntiAnarchist — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:32:46 GMT

Story sure as hell seems fake now. They were in a car chase with police, one somehow died, and the other somehow got away. All conveniently whil you were sleeping. This is bullshit. How in the fuck could one guy get away if they were being pursued?

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

Aristophanes — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:04:42 GMT

Not every single thing that goes wrong is a secret government plot. I believe we, especially those who proclaim to be libertarians or in the liberty movement, need to be extremely cautious and careful of how we handle reactions to things like this. We need to use a heavy dose of skepticism and objectivism and stay away from jumping to wild irrational conclusions about things...

@JJ

But it seems you and people like Phany wish to bend over backward to make anyone who doesn't automatically buy a government approved explanation out to be a nutcase.

haha, yeah, put words in my mouth.

I castrated you in this thread, you know. Search: "1 AND 0 AND JJ's balls."

Re: could boston attack on american soil been perpetrated by us government?

Crossonscout — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 07:25:10 GMT

Eh, I highly doubt it.

Not every single thing that goes wrong is a secret government plot. I believe we, especially those who proclaim to be libertarians or in the liberty movement, need to be extremely cautious and careful of how we handle reactions to things like this. We need to use a heavy dose of skepticism and objectivism and stay away from jumping to wild irrational conclusions about things... Just the same as those who jump to immediate conclusions that "All guns must be banned since [mass shooting xyz] happened!" ... To me, both are equally irrational and need people of reason to come in and balance things out.