Political Theory

Re: Ethics Reloaded! - Universally Preferable Behavior

hayekianxyz — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:28:07 GMT

His accent really bothers me.

Re: Ethics Reloaded! - Universally Preferable Behavior

scineram — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:18:51 GMT

Incredibly sloppy thinking and dubious assertions even in the first 10 minutes. lol

Re: Ethics Reloaded! - Universally Preferable Behavior

Donny with an A — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:22:47 GMT

Might be interested in this.

Re: Ethics Reloaded! - Universally Preferable Behavior

Brainpolice — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:09:08 GMT

Jon Irenicus:

I don't know, I haven't really read up on UPB. I just thought it'd be interesting to anyone who like me has not yet taken the time to delve deeper into Molyneux's system. I think what he's trying to get at is that it's impossible to deny that pursuing the truth is UPB, because in so doing one is in fact, attempting to state a truth, conforming with UPB (i.e. the truth that pursuit of truth is not UPB, which like "there is no truth" is a truth-claim that collapses on its own weight.) In that sense it is like a performative contradiction. If you're familiar with argumentation ethics, UPB is like them in that it is an impossibility proof. He posts on this forum so he might elaborate.

-Jon

Yes, it is fairly similar to argumentation ethics with the performative contradiction problem and all.

Re: Ethics Reloaded! - Universally Preferable Behavior

Jon Irenicus — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:38:41 GMT

I don't know, I haven't really read up on UPB. I just thought it'd be interesting to anyone who like me has not yet taken the time to delve deeper into Molyneux's system. I think what he's trying to get at is that it's impossible to deny that pursuing the truth is UPB, because in so doing one is in fact, attempting to state a truth, conforming with UPB (i.e. the truth that pursuit of truth is not UPB, which like "there is no truth" is a truth-claim that collapses on its own weight.) In that sense it is like a performative contradiction. If you're familiar with argumentation ethics, UPB is like them in that it is an impossibility proof. He posts on this forum so he might elaborate.

-Jon

Re: Ethics Reloaded! - Universally Preferable Behavior

nirgrahamUK — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:23:49 GMT

hey jon, thanks for this. how commited are you to this philosophic base.?

im not sure how convincing i find it.

first off.

i can agree that when A corrects B, A is telling B, if you have a care for truth, and being right about the issue at hand, consider my arguments which should convince you had been wrong, because they have the charectaristics of truth.

but going further and saying that B must 'universally prefer' this truth that A presents him with, either doesnt seem to add much, or else its downright confusing. can you help shed some light on this notion for me?

Ethics Reloaded! - Universally Preferable Behavior

Jon Irenicus — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:50:07 GMT

Molyneux offers here a brief presentation of his ethical theory. Good for anyone interested in it.

-Jon