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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Political Theory</title><link>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/8.aspx</link><description>Discussion of political theory.</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Re: Special interest politics &amp; public good theory</title><link>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6885.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:32:39 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:6885</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6885.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=8&amp;PostID=6885</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/Themes/mises2008/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Grant:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Has anyone written on a connection between the dominance of special interests in politics and public good theory?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is somewhat implied by Hoppe in &lt;i&gt;Fallacies of the Public Goods Theory and the Production of Security&lt;/i&gt; but I&amp;#39;ve never seen someone make the direct connection. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;It is true enough, too, that a termination of the state&amp;#39;s current practice of providing public goods would imply some change in the existing social structure and the distribution of wealth. And such a reshuffling would certainly imply hardship for some people. As a matter of fact, this is precisely why there is widespread public resistance to a policy of privatizing state functions, even though in the long run overall social wealth would be enhanced by this very policy.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The logical conclusion to this &amp;#39;widespread public resistance&amp;#39; would be special interest groups trying to influence the behavior of the State.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Weren&amp;#39;t the original special interest groups formed by &amp;#39;concerned citizens&amp;#39; who felt they had no real say in the direction of government before Big Business determined that this was a more efficient (and somewhat transparent) method to buy votes?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Special interest politics &amp; public good theory</title><link>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6850.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:36:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:6850</guid><dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6850.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=8&amp;PostID=6850</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/Themes/mises2008/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;ozzy43:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;You might read Robert Higg&amp;#39;s essay &amp;#39;Eighteen Problematic Propositions in the Analysis of the Growth of Government&amp;#39; wherein he debunks numerous economic fallacies currently in vogue - I recommend reading the entire thing, but Proposition 11 notes the dangers of treating government as though market mechanisms apply. Feel free to ignore if this is not relevant... &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Proposition 11&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;d say he didn&amp;#39;t go far enough, and mention the emergence of special-interest politics. But for the most part I agree with him - I am certainly not saying a representative democracy could ever be great or perfect, but just that it could be significantly better than it is now, and might even be able to reduce itself in size (e.g. Ron Paul).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If we accept that spontaneous orders always produce favorable results for the actors involved in them (when forecasting is accurate), then we&amp;#39;d have to view the Internet&amp;#39;s allowance of &amp;quot;general interest&amp;quot; emergent political orders as a Good Thing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Special interest politics &amp; public good theory</title><link>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6787.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:04:33 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:6787</guid><dc:creator>ozzy43</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6787.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=8&amp;PostID=6787</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;You might read Robert Higg&amp;#39;s essay &amp;#39;Eighteen Problematic Propositions in the Analysis of the Growth of Government&amp;#39; wherein he debunks numerous economic fallacies currently in vogue - I recommend reading the entire thing, but Proposition 11 notes the dangers of treating government as though market mechanisms apply. Feel free to ignore if this is not relevant... &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Proposition 11&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Putative “public demand,” especially as expressed by voting, drives
the political-government system. Elected officials (and hence the
bureaucracy subordinate to them) may be viewed as perfect agents of the
electorate.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Adherence to this proposition characterizes the bulk of all analysis
dealing with the growth of government in the West, regardless of
analytical tradition or ideological leaning. (Specific citations seem
unnecessary. See virtually any issue of &lt;i&gt;Public Choice&lt;/i&gt; as well
as the widely cited articles by Meltzer and Richard [1978; 1981; 1983],
Peltzman [1980; 1984; 1985], Becker [1983; 1985], and Borcherding
[1977; 1985]. The most recent and most extreme contribution along these
lines is Wittman [1989].) This approach displays a professional
deformity related to the economist’s basic tool of analysis, the theory
of markets with its component theories of demand and supply. Applying
their familiar tools to the analysis of politics, economists
immediately look for analogues. What is the “good” being traded? Who is
the “supplier” and who the “demander”? What is the “price”? The answers
seem obvious. Public policy is the good; the elected legislators are
the suppliers; the voters are the demanders; votes are the currency in
terms of which political business is being transacted. Thus voters
“buy” the desired policies by spending their votes; the legislators
“sell” policies in exchange for the votes electing them to office. (See
Benson and Engen [1988] for an especially straightforward application
of such analogues.) Economists view consumer demand in ordinary markets
as ultimately decisive for the allocation of resources; hence consumer
“sovereignty,” a political metaphor imported into economics. Applying
their familiar apparatus of thought to politics, economists tend to
think that ultimately the political system gives the voters what they
want. Therefore, if government grows, it does so because that is what
the people want (Musgrave 1985, p. 306; Stiglitz 1989, p. 69). Demand
creates its own supply. Voting is ultimately all that matters for
determining the growth of government. As Dennis Mueller (1987, p. 142)
has observed, “In the public choice literature the state often appears
as simply a voting rule that transforms individual preferences into
political outcomes.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is easy—and probably healthy—to mock this view of the political
process. Joseph Schumpeter (1954, p. 429) called it “the perfect
example of a nursery tale.” There are, after all, many significant
differences between ordinary markets and the “political market” (Higgs
1987a, pp. 14-15). Even Benson and Engen (1988, pp. 733, 741),
adherents of this model, describe their output variable as “somewhat
artificial and very restrictive” and their price variable as “clearly
an incomplete proxy.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not least of the problems is that voters rarely vote directly for or
against policies. Rather, they vote for candidates for office. Winning
candidates subsequently enact a multitude of policies, many of which
neither the voters nor their representatives had thought about at the
time of the campaign. It is not enough that voters know something about
the general ideological reputation of office seekers (à la Dougan and
Munger 1989); the devil is in the details. Besides, notwithstanding the
elaborate theoretical and econometric attempts to show that politicians
are perfect agents (Becker 1983; 1985; Peltzman 1984; 1985; Wittman
1989), we can easily demonstrate that political representatives
frequently act in ways that must necessarily run counter to the
dominant preference of their constituents. We see this in the U.S.
Senate, for instance, every time the two senators who represent the
same state split their votes—and such splitting occurs commonly (Higgs
1989d). Remarkably, and quite damningly for models that presume tight
linkages between voters and their elected representatives, many of the
vote-splitting senators are reelected time and again. So elections are
reliable neither as an &lt;i&gt;ex ante&lt;/i&gt; nor as an &lt;i&gt;ex post&lt;/i&gt; check on the substantial autonomy of officeholders.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the most important case in which legislators and other (including many &lt;i&gt;non&lt;/i&gt;elected)
officials act independently of control by the voters concerns political
action during crises. How many voters could possibly have known in the
election of 1940 what the elected federal officials would do during
their upcoming terms in office, which were to include, depending on the
office, some or all of the years of World War II? How many voters in
the election of 1972 had any idea how they wished their representatives
to deal with the “energy crisis” of 1973-1974, or even that such a
crisis loomed? Who anticipated that George Bush would send U.S. troops
into Saudi Arabia to oppose Iraq? During crises, government officials,
lacking any reliable means for discovering dominant constituent
preferences, necessarily exercise more or less discretionary power. But
they do act, often in dramatically important ways.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once those actions were taken, in a world of path-dependent
historical processes the course of events was changed irrevocably
(Brennan and Buchanan 1985, pp. 16, 74; Higgs 1987a, pp. 30-33, 57-74).
(Ratcheting growth of government spending associated with participation
in global wars is confirmed statistically by Rasler and Thompson
[1985], using Box-Tiao tests.) If U.S. voters actually had preferred
that the nation not go to war, it was too late to rectify the
legislators’ mistake in the election of 1942 – the fat was already in
the fire.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Further, political actions are usually followed by carefully crafted
rationalizations, excuses, and propaganda emanating from the
politicians and their friends who initiated or supported the actions.
(How often do politicians admit policy mistakes?) In this way political
preferences, public opinion, even the dominant ideology may be altered,
becoming more congruent with what has been done and thereby reversing
the direction of causality usually assumed in political models. (On
ideology and policy as interactive, see Higgs 1985; 1987a, pp. 67-74;
1989c, pp. 96-98.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Special interest politics &amp; public good theory</title><link>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6744.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:37:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:6744</guid><dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6744.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=8&amp;PostID=6744</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve read through most of the stuff on Mises.org, including &amp;quot;Can governments function like markets?&amp;quot;, and haven&amp;#39;t really heard anything about markets in politics. There was some mention of the effects of markest in voting over at Marginal Revolution, but I didn&amp;#39;t see any formal papers published. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sometimes I wonder if markets (which the Internet enables, at
least in the Austrian sense) can &amp;quot;fix&amp;quot; democracy, and actually help to
allocate physical force in a better manner than it currently does. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Special interest politics &amp; public good theory</title><link>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6657.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:31:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:6657</guid><dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6657.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=8&amp;PostID=6657</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting question. I don&amp;#39;t recall any exact articles of this nature; in the thread on praxeology I provided an article titled &amp;quot;Can governments function like markets?&amp;quot; which relates to the matter by way of a fusion of public choice/Austrian insights, but it doesn&amp;#39;t mention public goods directly IIRC. The article does deal with rent-seeking and the like though. You should try sift through the materials on public goods on mises.org or perhaps ask an Austrian economist who specializes in the topic. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Special interest politics &amp; public good theory</title><link>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6636.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:59:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:6636</guid><dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/thread/6636.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archive.freecapitalists.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=8&amp;PostID=6636</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Has anyone written on a connection between the dominance of special interests in politics and public good theory? I know most Mises.org Austrians reject public goods outright, but hear me out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Any business or pressure-group can try to influence legislation to their own benefit. It is easier for small groups to organize and lobby congress than it is for larger groups, because larger have more problems with coordination (the free-rider problem, among others). Special-interest legislation (such as no-bid contracts to Haliburton) are much closer to private goods. Its much harder for something in the general interest, such as liberty, to be financed. There are simply a lot more people to coordinate donations from, and each of those people can always &amp;quot;free ride&amp;quot; and hope someone else pays for it. As a result, its very hard for the general populace to combat all the little special interests in Washington trying to extract all the rent they can. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I bring this up because of the massive amount of money Ron Paul is raising. The internet allows for coordination on a massive scale which was previously unheard of in politics. I think it will allow funding of more general-interest politics, such as increases in liberty. Paul&amp;#39;s campaign would then be an effect of this coordination starting to overcome the private, special interests.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>