Political Theory

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

Fool on the Hill — Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:44:23 GMT

"The first person to describe himself as a libertarian was Joseph Déjacque, an early French anarchist communist. The word stems from the French word libertaire, and was used to evade the French ban on anarchist publications." ~ Wiki

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

Lincoln — Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:41:30 GMT

C.H. Hellstrom:

Of course libertarianism (liberalism) have developed for a long time, bur the "father" I would say is John Locke.

Really? He is the earliest libertarian thinkers?

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

ama gi — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:54:28 GMT

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Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

C.H. Hellstrom — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:58:57 GMT

M-la-maudite:

The same for me; at least, to the extent that i wouldn't classify as the father of libertarianism someone who couldn't possibly espouse contemporary libertarianism if he were living during our times. Locke would irremediably disagree with the philosophical (in particular, meta-ethical) grounds, the basic ethical views and the political consequences of libertarianism.

To be the "father" I don't think that it is required that one would agree with everything that has come to be classified as libertarianism.

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

C.H. Hellstrom — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:55:58 GMT

Of course libertarianism (liberalism) have developed for a long time, bur the "father" I would say is John Locke.

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

M-la-maudite — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:48:42 GMT

Richard Chambers:

Daniel J. Sanchez:

M-la-maudite:
IMHO it still doesn't make him a full-blown libertarian.

I don't think you need to be a complete libertarian to be considered the father of it.

If one wouldn't be considered a libertarian if he was around today, I wouldn't classify him as the father of libertarianism.

The same for me; at least, to the extent that i wouldn't classify as the father of libertarianism someone who couldn't possibly espouse contemporary libertarianism if he were living during our times. Locke would irremediably disagree with the philosophical (in particular, meta-ethical) grounds, the basic ethical views and the political consequences of libertarianism.

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

M-la-maudite — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:40:29 GMT

Daniel J. Sanchez:

M-la-maudite:
and then, Diogene Laertes?

Diogenes Laertius was a biographer of philosophers. Do you mean Diogenes the Cynic?

Yes, i do - an unforgivable mistake -;(

... the fact that the one is mostly known through the writtings of the other didn't help; still, all my apologies for the confusion!

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

Individualist — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:01:50 GMT

Daniel J. Sanchez:

M-la-maudite:
and then, Diogene Laertes?

Diogenes Laertius was a biographer of philosophers. Do you mean Diogenes the Cynic?

M-la-maudite:
IMHO it still doesn't make him a full-blown libertarian.

I don't think you need to be a complete libertarian to be considered the father of it.

If one wouldn't be considered a libertarian if he was around today, I wouldn't classify him as the father of libertarianism.

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

Daniel J. Sanchez — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:46:49 GMT

M-la-maudite:
and then, Diogene Laertes?

Diogenes Laertius was a biographer of philosophers. Do you mean Diogenes the Cynic?

M-la-maudite:
IMHO it still doesn't make him a full-blown libertarian.

I don't think you need to be a complete libertarian to be considered the father of it.

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

M-la-maudite — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:18:43 GMT

On epistemological grounds, what about the sophists? and then, Diogene Laertes?

More recently, i'd go for Max Stirner, who is the first individualist anarchist.

Locke is a classical liberal on politics and his metaphysics are anything but libertarian; of course, his concept of self-ownership is one of the most valuable contributions to libertarian thinking, IMHO it still doesn't make him a full-blown libertarian.

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

Individualist — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:14:16 GMT

So when did the movement that Leonard Read was a part of gain any degree of noticeability?

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

Bank Run — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:15:12 GMT

Marko, I agree there must be a better word for what I mean. Is there a philogian in the house?

I then need a word to describe that facts are still the facts with or without the existence of a diety. Maybe we can create a word? Counter-theism, ethical-atheism, dietyles-argumentation, I don't know ideas anyone?

Kind regards

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

Marko — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:12:13 GMT

Bank Run:

On theonomy, I am a large fan of apotheism, that is whether there is or is not a god issues and ethics still stand.

Bank Run:

Typing oops. Apatheism. Sorry.

Are you sure apatheism is the word? I thought apatheists are lazy bumps who can`t be bothered to think and are a sub-genre of atheists.

Wheres people who belive ethics are independent of existance of god assert existance of god is irrelevant and consider it a sort of a struggle to maintain that belief. So they do care, it`s just their conclusions are such. (I know they have a name starting with an A, but I forgot what it was.)

Or maybe I got it wrong? Throw me a link or two something.

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

liberty student — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:07:04 GMT

Richard Chambers:

History question: Who was the "Founding Father" of libertarianism?

Frederic Bastiat?

Lysander Spooner?

Other?

Re: Who was the "Founding Father" of Libertarianism?

liberty student — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:02:53 GMT

Richard Chambers:
That's my term for "anarcho-capitalist". If anyone thinks that term has flaws, I'll have to start another thread.

Anarcho-capitalists are not democrats. Start a new thread.