Political Theory

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

Jon Irenicus — Tue, 26 May 2009 17:05:10 GMT

No, perhaps take it with a grain of salt.

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

Nick. B — Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:34 GMT

Opps, sorry for the double post.

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

Nick. B — Tue, 26 May 2009 16:10:51 GMT

wombatron:

McKay is awful; he rejects the whole of individualist and market anarchism (including Carson's market mutualism) as being either inconsistent anarchism, or not anarchism at all, with plenty of selective out-of-context quotes from Proudhon, Spencer, Spooner, Tucker, de Cleyre, Molinari, and Rothbard to back him up.

So when I do read McKay's response to Caplan's essay I shouldn't take it to seriously?

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

Nick. B — Tue, 26 May 2009 16:09:55 GMT

wombatron:

McKay is awful; he rejects the whole of individualist and market anarchism (including Carson's market mutualism) as being either inconsistent anarchism, or not anarchism at all, with plenty of selective out-of-context quotes from Proudhon, Spencer, Spooner, Tucker, de Cleyre, Molinari, and Rothbard to back him up.

So when I do read McKay's response to Caplan's essay I shouldn't take it to seriously?

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

wombatron — Mon, 25 May 2009 19:53:36 GMT

Paul:

ThorsMitersaw:

wombatron:

Bryan Caplan has an article on the Spanish Civil War here.

Have you read the reply to his article here: http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/spain/sp001532.html ?

Iain McKay:
In the last section, we quoted von Mises on the basic philosophy of right Libertarianism, namely if reality contradicts your theory, ignore reality.

Where do they get this rubbish? They spout that line all the time.

McKay is awful; he rejects the whole of individualist and market anarchism (including Carson's market mutualism) as being either inconsistent anarchism, or not anarchism at all, with plenty of selective out-of-context quotes from Proudhon, Spencer, Spooner, Tucker, de Cleyre, Molinari, and Rothbard to back him up.

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

Jon Irenicus — Mon, 25 May 2009 11:00:28 GMT

Because their comprehension of epistemology and methodology is approximately zero?

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

Paul — Mon, 25 May 2009 10:58:11 GMT

ThorsMitersaw:

wombatron:

Bryan Caplan has an article on the Spanish Civil War here.

Have you read the reply to his article here: http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/spain/sp001532.html ?

Iain McKay:
In the last section, we quoted von Mises on the basic philosophy of right Libertarianism, namely if reality contradicts your theory, ignore reality.

Where do they get this rubbish? They spout that line all the time.

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

liberty student — Mon, 25 May 2009 07:48:16 GMT

PyrrhonianSkeptic:

What do you think about nonviolent, nonstatist forms of worker's self-management?

By which I mean, free market unions; worker's co-operatives; nonviolent syndicates; etc.?

I think they are fine if they are voluntary, but I suspect they will largely be useless in a free market. They are fairly anachronistic.

For example, a free market union would have to allow workers to come and go, and to negotiate with "the company" independently if they so chose. This undermines solidarity, which sounds great in a union hall or on a blog network, but is difficult to translate into voluntary consent to a cartel that may not always represent the worker's best interest.

I have been watching Tom Woods 10 lecture American history presentation here at Mises.org and iirc, it was #6 or 7 that deals with labor history in the US. I suspect anarcho-syndicalists have been fed a lot of baloney that doesn't reflect a broader view of the events and circumstances surrounding the early labour movements in the US.

http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=category&ID=79

http://mises.org/multimedia/video/Woods/Woods7.wmv

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

PyrrhonianSkeptic — Mon, 25 May 2009 07:46:37 GMT

PyrrhonianSkeptic:

Some basic anarcho-syndicalist propaganda (using that in the neutral sense of the term):

http://www.anarchosyndicalism.net/archive/display/150/index.php

http://www.anarchosyndicalism.net/archive/display/152/index.php

And incidentally, here is Rocker's Anarcho-Syndalism online: http://libcom.org/library/anarcho-syndicalism-rudolf-rocker

and here is Daniel Guerin's Anarchy: From Theory to Practice also: http://libcom.org/library/anarchism-daniel-guerin

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

PyrrhonianSkeptic — Mon, 25 May 2009 07:28:52 GMT

PyrrhonianSkeptic:

To everyone in general:

What do you think about nonviolent, nonstatist forms of worker's self-management?

By which I mean, free market unions; worker's co-operatives; nonviolent syndicates; etc.?

Some basic anarcho-syndicalist propaganda (using that in the neutral sense of the term):

http://www.anarchosyndicalism.net/archive/display/150/index.php

http://www.anarchosyndicalism.net/archive/display/152/index.php

And does anyone know of any books on syndicalism / anarcho-syndicalism besides Rocker's A-S: Theory and Practice, and his shorter A & A-S?

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

PyrrhonianSkeptic — Mon, 25 May 2009 07:26:11 GMT

krazy kaju:
Daniel Guerin's "Anarchism: From Theory to Practice" is what converted me from a borderline leftist to an anarcho-syndicalist in my wee days. Kropotkin's "Anarchism" is also good, since it contains various articles on various aspects of anarcho-syndicalist thought.

What about it attracted you? What arguments of Guerin's were most persuasive to you? And what specifically caused your later shift?

To everyone in general:

What do you think about nonviolent, nonstatist forms of worker's self-management?

By which I mean, free market unions; worker's co-operatives; nonviolent syndicates; etc.?

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

Nick. B — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:56:24 GMT

ThorsMitersaw:

wombatron:

Bryan Caplan has an article on the Spanish Civil War here.

Have you read the reply to his article here: http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/spain/sp001532.html ?

No I have not. Hey are you the ThorMitersaw that made videos? If I may ask, why did you stop?

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

ThorsMitersaw — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:45:10 GMT

wombatron:

Bryan Caplan has an article on the Spanish Civil War here.

Have you read the reply to his article here: http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/spain/sp001532.html ?

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

rpj83 — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:27:13 GMT

There's also a shorter work by Rudolf Rocker called "Anarchism and Anarcho-Syndicalism" - http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/rocker-rudolf/misc/anarchism-anarcho-syndicalism.htm

Re: Syndicalist Anarchism

krazy kaju — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:06:45 GMT

Nick. B:

Do any of you know of the main books on the political theory of Syndicalist Anarchism that syndicalist read?

Daniel Guerin's "Anarchism: From Theory to Practice" is what converted me from a borderline leftist to an anarcho-syndicalist in my wee days. Kropotkin's "Anarchism" is also good, since it contains various articles on various aspects of anarcho-syndicalist thought.