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Can children reason?

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Spideynw replied on Tue, Mar 23 2010 10:10 AM

filc:
You would obviously be duping the child.

How convenient.  On one hand a toddler can supposedly choose to have sex, on the other the toddler is obviously "duped" into it.  Which is it?  Let me know when you make up your mind.  I can't really have a conversation with someone who doesn't even know what he believes.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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filc replied on Tue, Mar 23 2010 11:13 AM

No more convenient than it is for a physicist to point out that gravity DOES exist, when arguing with a lunatic who thinks otherwise!

There is also nothing inconsistent with the points I made. Being cognitively unaware of an action does not grant someone else a positive right to take advantage of you with that action. You are still violating the self-owners property. That rule applies to all age groups.

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Spideynw replied on Tue, Mar 23 2010 11:49 AM

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Being cognitively unaware

"Cognitive - of or pertaining to the mental processes of perception, memory, judgment, and reasoning, as contrasted with emotional and volitional processes." (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cognitive).

So one can choose to have sex when one can reason?

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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filc replied on Tue, Mar 23 2010 12:11 PM

Spideynw:
So one can choose to have sex when one can reason?

Inaction is still a choice, not being aware of something and choosing inaction is still a sign of reasoning. It could be that the reasoning behind certain action is being unaware of the consequences. 

Your argument is equivalent to me having the right to invest your money against your will simply because you arn't aware of investing and you haven't the capacity or reasoning to decide where best to invest. Such a belief is folly. 

And as ERO pointed out, reasoning[1] has nothing to do with determining a self owner and ultimately rights. There is also no humanly way of measuring ones ability to reason without assuming to be omniscient, all such judgments are bias and opinionated. Your thesis on reason goes against the entire premise of praxeology. That you do not have perfect knowledge of other people's preferences in the now, nor in the future.

Let me know when your ready to answer my question.

filc:
Let me ask you this. Do you have kids? If not pretend you do. Can you imagine a situation where your child asks you permission for something, and you tell them no?

 

[1] As it is implied in the manner of your context. 

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