Recently I have started watching documentaries on Top Documentary Films website and I came across an interesting one called 1/3 of the holocaust. Has anyone else seen this? It is literally 4 hours of facts without the Alex Jones type rhetoric or unsupported conclusions.
Any thoughts on it appreciated :D
The murder of millions by rampaging socialist States in the 20th century is the sad, inevitable consequence of the logic of subsidized aggression. The German and Russian expressions of this subsidized aggression were particularly severe and the number of lives ended and the amount of property destroyed is truly staggering.
@Marko: I think you're misunderstanding how I use the term "socialism" - I don't mean "the antonym of mercantilism" which is how most political punditry today uses it. Socialism - in its broadest sense - is the subsidy of one or more individuals on the backs of one or more other individuals. In other words, any forcible transfer of wealth in society is a form of socialism... redistribution. Every State is inherently socialistic by virtue of what it is: the expropriator par excellence. The Nazi economy was centrally planned and controlled. It was a fascist (actually, I prefer "mercantilist") war economy. The Soviet economy also was centrally planned and controlled and it was largely a war economy, as well. Full central control of the means of production and the full bent of the productive capacity of the subject people in a region to war production (total war) was a novel invention which reached its zenith in the 20th century (invented in America during the Civil War, the first modern Total War). As explained by Dr. Hoppe, total war is the predictable and inevitable outcome of democratic government.
As for the under-appreciated role of economic policy in Nazi Germany, please read this.
As for your remarks regarding colonialism, I think you're confusing colonialism and imperialism but both are expressions of the more general aggresive expansionism which is a characteristic of any State.
Clayton -
you did not mention America out there with the "expressions of subsidized aggression" albeit last time I checked the US was basically built on ethnic cleansing and its body count in the 20th century probably matches the Holocaust
No argument here... the American government is one of the bloodiest in world history. We've wiped out untold numbers of Native Americans and Mexicans, massacred Philippinos and Japanese, and continue our policy of dishonorable war-by-murdering-civilians to the tune of over a million dead Iraqi civilians and tens of thousands of Afghan civilians. We invented total war in our own Civil War and our "hero" General Sherman resurrected the hellish, barbaric practice of "breaking the will of the enemy" by burning down their cities and then sicking the troops on civilians who raped and assaulted them for sport, took their livestock and other wealth as booty and their children as slaves. It was considered very innovative and ground-breaking in the military strategy circles of the day. Its culmination was, arguably, the atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, snuffing out more than 100,000 Japanese civilians in the blink of an eye. But the policy really continues unabated with GPS guided 2000-lb bombs which level entire neighborhoods filled with civilians and unmanned aerial drones which are used to hunt and kill anyone fingered by ground troops as "a threat". Am I pulling any punches? Would you like me to dive into more detail and talk about our participation in the slaughter of millions of ex-Soviet refugees who we forcibly repatriated - knowing full well they would be shot for the "crime" of desertion - in Operation Keelhaul?
political correctness and self-censorship are today's soft totalitarianism. it amuses me to think that anyone believes a free society is possible where lies (well-intentioned or otherwise) flourish unchecked. in war, the victor writes the history. codoh and the institute for historical review are the go-to sites for those who are prepared to ask the hard questions. there are libertarian sites like the last ditch which will discuss these matters and take the resulting heat and vitriol. their loyalty is to free enquiry and speech, chips fall where they may. alt right is another libertarian project where questions are asked that are bound to raise hackles.
political correctness and self-censorship are today's soft totalitarianism. it amuses me to think that anyone believes a free society is possible where lies (well-intentioned or otherwise) flourish unchecked.
in war, the victor writes the history. codoh and the institute for historical review are the go-to sites for those who are prepared to ask the hard questions. there are libertarian sites like the last ditch which will discuss these matters and take the resulting heat and vitriol. their loyalty is to free enquiry and speech, chips fall where they may. alt right is another libertarian project where questions are asked that are bound to raise hackles.
Please, stop trying to pass this thinly veiled antisemitic bullshit off as edgy free thinking. I'm all for challenging popular misconceptions but when you blindly parrot any conspiracy theorizing as a means to support your own priors that's about as far away from "being prepared to ask the hard questions" as you can get.
Please, stop trying to pass this thinly veiled antisemitic bullshit off as edgy free thinking.
This is why anything remotely "right wing" will always fail - it is gleefully contrarian to norms and thinks that is "edgy".
"As in a kaleidoscope, the constellation of forces operating in the system as a whole is ever changing." - Ludwig Lachmann
"When A Man Dies A World Goes Out of Existence" - GLS Shackle
"the jewish holocaust" is not my favorite subject to discuss and that is for many reasons. Not only the grim nature of it but also the uneasiness that is socially attached to the subject. Bringing the holocaust up in any social setting is not a way to make friends and influence people. That being said it if was not for the internet it would be unlikely that I would have come across alternative history that I have. Some of the major problems I have come across regarding that history.
Why is it called the holocaust? There was many holocausts in history and why in history we received in school did they refer to it as "the holocaust" surely it was a holocaust. As there was many before it and some even after it. But considering the amount of people that died during the second world war, why has there always been such a focus on the jewish deaths. [1] Asking some people from my generation about the second world war, some would even describe it as the nazis vs the jews. I have met people who have said that the second world war was about killing jews. This is because of the education we received in school and from the media, which is largely owned by the jews and influenced by zionism. Think about all the spielberg movies and similar that created the perception of the world war in our minds.
On closer examination it appears that the jewish aspect of second world war was post war propaganda and not actually the core tenet. The real reasons behind the war were geo-political and mein kampf was actually propaganda. I would not argue that jews were not killed or even targeted but then so were millions of others who were not jews.
If you think about the fema camps today and the reason for them existing and that is for the "safety" of people in a disaster. I go so far as to say that the camps were actually a safe place within a war zone so that people could survive the war. Auschwitz has a swimming pool for example. Many revisionists will say that the main reason for deaths at the camps was starvation and sickness and not murder. Logistically it would make more sense to kill people before you put them on a train and keep them in a camp. That is what most of the murders in the war were done by bombs and bullets. Logistically there is little evidence for the means to kill that many people in the way described. But like i said it is one my least favorite things to talk about.
When I first received the revisionist information it was from an internet forum post where a flemish user of the forum had written a book on the subject and had been researching it for 5 years and made a several page post with scanned newspaper clippings and official documents from before and after the time. Real evidence. It took me at least three months to accept it however.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
Indeed, I think you hit the mark when you described it as "gleefully contrarian". The thing is when you're talking about something of as much import as the holocaust glib jibes at those who accept the orthodox story for being naive and perhaps even ignorant is going to alienate a whole bunch of people. And for good reason, for me there's something really, really distateful about using such a touchy issue as a means of pushing your agenda or turning heads.
That said, I think it's perfectly possible to hold right wing views and put them across provided that one gives importance to important subject - in other words you just need to be capable of basic human decency.
Personally I see no reason to doubt the Holocaust. I think the Nazis were brutal murderers with a very unsavory ideology. Some of the people I admire most were Jews: Mises, Hayek, Rothbard. Had they fallen into the hands of Nazis, Hayek and Mises would have undoubtedly been sent to a concentration camp if not summarily executed.
That being said I don't think we should criminalise holocaust denial as many european countries have done. I think the debate on the Holocaust should be left to historians.
Personally I see no reason to doubt the Holocaust.
More fundamentally, there is hardly a reason to care that I can think of. However, one important aspect is that it is part of the larger project of court history to portray the event as anything other than the deployment of Marxist thinking on jews (which is still widespread to this day). The continual obsession with Holocaust is fueled by jews and their useful idiots making endless Holocaust movies and such. It helps to keep everyone fearful of questioning anything jewish starting at a young age. This aids the real villainy that we find in the jewish community, the treatment of non-jews as cows to be milked to support jewish ends. As long as Holocaust promotion continues, let the Holocaust demotion continue.
Wrong thread.
Thanks. It's a good one.
Would you like me to dive into more detail and talk about our participation in the slaughter of millions of ex-Soviet refugees who we forcibly repatriated - knowing full well they would be shot for the "crime" of desertion - in Operation Keelhaul?
No, but you can dive into more detail in regard to who were these "refugees" and what was the fate they suffered.
1/3 of the Holocaust was too boring for me, but it's interesting perspective regardless. If you are interested look up David Cole, a Jewish Holocaust revisionist who made a mini-documentary and proposed a lot of good questions that brings the holes and contradictions in the Holocaust story. Also, read Did Six Million Really Die?