What are the general thoughts on WWII here on Mises.org?
Were the Allies justified in fighting WWII?
What would have happened if the US wouldn't have gotten involved in the European theatre? Should they have?
I have always been interested in this time period, so I was curious what you guys thought on the issue. Any articles or books discussing the war from a Libertarian standpoint are very welcome.
Spideynw: sirmonty: Spideynw: http://my350z.com/forum/politics-war/405226-pat-buchanan-wwii-was-an-unnecessary-war.html
sirmonty: Spideynw:
Spideynw:
http://my350z.com/forum/politics-war/405226-pat-buchanan-wwii-was-an-unnecessary-war.html
Interesting to read the dynamics between that forum and my regular car forum (Supraforums.com)
Sorry for the side track, carry on.
Well yeah, but they should've gone in sooner. Before Hitler had a chance to get so powerful.
Jacob Bloom: Well yeah, but they should've gone in sooner. Before Hitler had a chance to get so powerful.
Are you being serious?
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JonBostwick: Jacob Bloom: Well yeah, but they should've gone in sooner. Before Hitler had a chance to get so powerful. Are you being serious?
Yes, we're talking about Hitler here. You can't tell me that you really think we shouldn't have gone to war with a guy like that? It's certainly possible that Hitler would've lost the war all by himself, but...the loss of life and the damage he did to the Jewish community because no one was willing to fight him early wouldn't have been worth it. The one thing governments are supposed to do is protect the people with the use of the military. And Hitler was a serious threat both to the US and to the world abroad. In hindsight, it's easy to say "oh six million jews, no big deal" for some people. But not for me.
Jacob Bloom:Yes
Sorry, had to ask. It read like a satire of the uninformed view.
Jacob Bloom:You can't tell me that you really think we shouldn't have gone to war with a guy like that? It's certainly possible that Hitler would've lost the war all by himself, but...the loss of life and the damage he did to the Jewish community because no one was willing to fight him early wouldn't have been worth it.
False. Death camps began after the war began. No WWII equals no holocaust.
Jacob Bloom: The one thing governments are supposed to do is protect the people with the use of the military.
The one thing government can justly do is dissolve.
Jacob Bloom:And Hitler was a serious threat both to the US and to the world abroad.
Hitler couldn't even beat Stalin. Yawn.
If you had any understanding of American Military history, you'd know that America fights who they want to fight. America is never a victim of unprovoked aggression.
Jacob Bloom: In hindsight, it's easy to say "oh six million jews, no big deal" for some people. But not for me.
How many non jews you willing to kill for that? 10 million? 20 million?
Wow I never thought I'd find a Pro-Hitler person on any website ever.
Byzantine:It has been argued that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was "pre-emptive" in response to US "soft" aggressive moves in the region.
Sure. Roosevelt, lacking the power to declare war, did every act of war he was capable of against Japan with the intent of getting them to declare war for him. And, of course, he only wanted entry into the Pacific war as a backdoor into the European War.
Its no secret that Roosevelt wanted to be in war long before 1942 and that public opinion prevented.
Jacob Bloom: Wow I never thought I'd find a Pro-Hitler person on any website ever.
Ah yes. The militarist accuses the anarchist of being pro-Hitler. Oh the irony.
Are you familiar with the Reductio ad Hitlerum?
Ok,
1.) Death camps were always a part of Hitler's plan, he says so in Mein Kampf. I don't care when they started, that guy wanted to kill him some Jews.
2.) In my opinion, governments must exist in some small form, if only to provide for the military. I'm not willing to pay taxes to go for welfare, but I'm definitely willing to pay them to fund the military.
3.) Hitler's war against Russia was his big mistake but...to take the chance that he would've been beaten...isn't worth it, in my opinion. And yeah, America picks its fights, often times unwisely, but Hitler was a bad guy, we needed to fight him.
4.) Their are people out there who, believe it or not, would've given their lives to fight someone like Hitler. I don't believe in drafts, but I think the military that fought Hitler was a volunteer army. Which means they wanted to fight.
JonBostwick: Jacob Bloom: Wow I never thought I'd find a Pro-Hitler person on any website ever. Ah yes. The militarist accuses the anarchist of being pro-Hitler. Oh the irony. Are you familiar with the Reductio ad Hitlerum?
I'm not a militarist, I just think that sometimes one has to fight for what one believes in. And I think that your little defense doesn't apply here because to say that we should've have fought Hitler IS the same as saying "I agree with what Hitler did." Just out of curiosity, are you basically saying that there was NO imaginable way that Hitler could've won with or without our fighting in the war?
I would also like to add that if anarchists got their way, they would have to get over whatever pacifist illusions they had because...sometimes fighting is necessary. And with no cops, no courts, no laws, no enforcers, the anarchist would have to be his own enforcer.
Jacob Bloom:1.) Death camps were always a part of Hitler's plan, he says so in Mein Kampf. I don't care when they started, that guy wanted to kill him some Jews.
Note the difference between wanting to and being able to.
Jacob Bloom:2.) In my opinion, governments must exist in some small form, if only to provide for the military. I'm not willing to pay taxes to go for welfare, but I'm definitely willing to pay them to fund the military.
Like I said, a militarist. Willing to steal to provide for war, but unwilling to steal to provide for food.
Jacob Bloom:4.) Their are people out there who, believe it or not, would've given their lives to fight someone like Hitler. I don't believe in drafts, but I think the military that fought Hitler was a volunteer army. Which means they wanted to fight.
It was a slave army. The draft began in 1940 (long before pearl harbor) and continues today. You can thank FDR's desire for war for your selective service card.
Jacob Bloom:And with no cops, no courts, no laws, no enforcers, the anarchist would have to be his own enforcer.
Welcome to the Mises.org forum, hot bed of anarcho-capitalist theory. You might have noticed one of our many discussions about polycentric law.
There would indeed be all of those things, they would however be private, voluntary, competitive, and all those other nice things.
1.) Hitler had every intention to eliminate the Jewish population from the Earth. He would've done it with or without a war. To think otherwise is naivete in my opinion.
2.) Welfare subsidizes poverty. It teaches people to not be self reliant. It teaches them they aren't capable of supporting their own lives. Don't fool yourself into thinking that all welfare does is give people food. It gives them hopelessness too. War is necessary SOMETIMES. One doesn't have to be a militarist to know that sometimes fighting is necessary. Also, privatizing militaries is....unwise, it would lead to all sorts of problems. If there is one thing tax dollars are supposed to go for, it's the military.
3.) I don't know how many drafted American soldiers died in that war, I guess it was a lot. And that's unfortunate. But they died for the right thing. Death in service to one's country is an honor if the death was for the right thing. How can anyone possibly think that fighting Hitler was the wrong thing???