February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church. Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."
Try contributing next time Juan.
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Bob Dylan
GilesStratton: Try contributing next time Juan.
As Juan goes, that was a pretty substantial contribution lol
GilesStratton: I don't think it is wise to limit oneself to either of the choices. I merely pointed out that philosophy tends to be a deeper subject. If you're speaking to somebody educated about philosophy (and I mean, educated) by all means adopt the appropriate angle. However, most people you speak to don't care for your natural rights, whether or not they're correct. They'd rather a system that prevents widespread poverty and unemployment than anything else.
I don't think it is wise to limit oneself to either of the choices. I merely pointed out that philosophy tends to be a deeper subject. If you're speaking to somebody educated about philosophy (and I mean, educated) by all means adopt the appropriate angle. However, most people you speak to don't care for your natural rights, whether or not they're correct. They'd rather a system that prevents widespread poverty and unemployment than anything else.
Yes, philosophy is a deeper subject, but you don't have to be well educated about philosophy to be convinced that the initiation of force is wrong. But you are correct in your assertion that people tend to be more open to arguments from effect.
GilesStratton: Why? One might say capitalism will cause less destruction to the enviromnent. I wouldn't advise even talking to those people about these issues though...
Why? One might say capitalism will cause less destruction to the enviromnent. I wouldn't advise even talking to those people about these issues though...
Environmentalists (at least radical ones), the ones that I'm refering to, are against industrial sociaty as such, and is against human exploitation of nature.