Truthisnonexistent: Wilmot of Rochester: Truthisnonexistent: Chomsky has said time and time again that the current economic system in any industrialized nation is not capitalism, it is far from capitalism. All he is saying on the topic of libertarianism is that historically, libertarianism goes hand in hand with leftist socialism, dating back to the french revolution. Only in America is libertarianism synonymous with capitalism, fiscal conservativism ect. Er... It actually kind of means both. The two first examples of libertarian that come to my mind from the french revolution were Bastiat and Proudhon and though they disagreed vehemently on certain issues - like interest rates, for example - they both sat on the left side of the spectrum at about equal lengths. I think people just have to admit that there is no claim to "original libertarianism." It seems like you have early examples on both sides of individualism and collectivism. I agree. The way I see it.. Left= Libertarian Right= Authoritarian regardless of economics. I would consider the Bolsheviks right wing and so on.
Wilmot of Rochester: Truthisnonexistent: Chomsky has said time and time again that the current economic system in any industrialized nation is not capitalism, it is far from capitalism. All he is saying on the topic of libertarianism is that historically, libertarianism goes hand in hand with leftist socialism, dating back to the french revolution. Only in America is libertarianism synonymous with capitalism, fiscal conservativism ect. Er... It actually kind of means both. The two first examples of libertarian that come to my mind from the french revolution were Bastiat and Proudhon and though they disagreed vehemently on certain issues - like interest rates, for example - they both sat on the left side of the spectrum at about equal lengths. I think people just have to admit that there is no claim to "original libertarianism." It seems like you have early examples on both sides of individualism and collectivism.
Truthisnonexistent: Chomsky has said time and time again that the current economic system in any industrialized nation is not capitalism, it is far from capitalism. All he is saying on the topic of libertarianism is that historically, libertarianism goes hand in hand with leftist socialism, dating back to the french revolution. Only in America is libertarianism synonymous with capitalism, fiscal conservativism ect.
Chomsky has said time and time again that the current economic system in any industrialized nation is not capitalism, it is far from capitalism. All he is saying on the topic of libertarianism is that historically, libertarianism goes hand in hand with leftist socialism, dating back to the french revolution. Only in America is libertarianism synonymous with capitalism, fiscal conservativism ect.
Er... It actually kind of means both. The two first examples of libertarian that come to my mind from the french revolution were Bastiat and Proudhon and though they disagreed vehemently on certain issues - like interest rates, for example - they both sat on the left side of the spectrum at about equal lengths.
I think people just have to admit that there is no claim to "original libertarianism." It seems like you have early examples on both sides of individualism and collectivism.
I agree. The way I see it..
Left= Libertarian
Right= Authoritarian
regardless of economics. I would consider the Bolsheviks right wing and so on.
Conceded.
existence is elsewhere
Nope, false left / right wing paradigm fails.
It is fallacious and maintained in order to keep people in a box.
Left wing = Communism / Stalinism / International Socialism
Right Wing = Fascism / Nazism / National Socialism
Oh look, 5 letters of difference! This type of socialism, or that type of socialism... Hmm, such a big choice to make!
Conza88: Nope, false left / right wing paradigm fails. It is fallacious and maintained in order to keep people in a box. Left wing = Communism / Stalinism / International Socialism Right Wing = Fascism / Nazism / National Socialism Oh look, 5 letters of difference! This type of socialism, or that type of socialism... Hmm, such a big choice to make!
It fails for you. Perhaps you ask too much?