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DanielMuff Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2009 3:17 PM

 

Save the University: Wendy Brown

A teach in by UC Berkeley faculty on the UC budget crisis

 

To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process.
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No surprise it comes from Berkeley.

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Applicability of its endeavours

 

I'm seriously LOLing here.  How dare these people be accountable to the market for what scarce resources they squander!  How dare they be forced to endeavour to be applicable to the people who fund them!

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mhamlin replied on Thu, Oct 1 2009 3:44 PM

This is all too much.  So funny that the notions she utters balefully sound just great to me (aside from the inaccurate statements).

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Santtu replied on Thu, Oct 1 2009 3:48 PM

I was just watching this, and it feels like a good response.

 


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The statist left will never shake their love of public education.   Some of them might be antiwar generally, but they still think kidnapping children to 'learn' is acceptable.  I also note she throws the 'neoliberal' buzzword around alot.

My response to her is as follows: public 'goods' is an oxymoron.

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I was going to apply to Berkeley for my graduate work...now no thank you.

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Santtu:

I was just watching this, and it feels like a good response.

 

That is a great video.

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She sounds like someone desperately trying to save her job, career and 'industry'.  She knows her socialist drivel will not be valued without the state.

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She makes a pretty compelling case for privatization.

Or are we supposed to regard entrepreneurship as a bad thing?

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DD5 replied on Thu, Oct 1 2009 4:57 PM
Santtu:
I was just watching this, and it feels like a good response.
Most of it is not bad, however he proves during his last 3 minutes to be just another collectivist!
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Santtu:

I was just watching this, and it feels like a good response.

 

Thank you very, very, much. The first minute alone killed the argument for science being a public good. I've only got 92 minutes left to watch. :D

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Giant_Joe:
Thank you very, very, much. The first minute alone killed the argument for science being a public good. I've only got 92 minutes left to watch. :D

Everyone needs to watch that video.

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AJ replied on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:29 PM

DD5:
Santtu:
I was just watching this, and it feels like a good response.
Most of it is not bad, however he proves during his last 3 minutes to be just another collectivist!

That video is amazing. He does turn out to be a collectivist, but that has no bearing on the excellent points he makes.

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DD5 replied on Thu, Oct 1 2009 10:57 PM

AJ:

DD5:
Santtu:
I was just watching this, and it feels like a good response.
Most of it is not bad, however he proves during his last 3 minutes to be just another collectivist!

That video is amazing. He does turn out to be a collectivist, but that has no bearing on the excellent points he makes.

 

I don't know.  People arguing for free markets on the basis that it is the best way to attain the goals for  "the common good" of the collective makes me sick.

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DD5:
I don't know.  People arguing for free markets on the basis that it is the best way to attain the goals for  "the common good" of the collective makes me sick.

Why is that? The man who this site is named after was a utilitarian, after all.

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I. Ryan replied on Fri, Oct 2 2009 8:39 AM

DD5:

I don't know.  People arguing for free markets on the basis that it is the best way to attain the goals for  "the common good" of the collective makes me sick.

It seems that you completely misunderstand the writings of Ludwig von Mises and the other similar individualistic thinkers. They do not argue that the 'individual good' matters and the 'common good' does not matter. Instead, they argue that the 'individual good' is the 'common good' and the 'common good' is the 'individual good' as far as the market is free because if it that were to not be true, society would not exist.

If I wrote it more than a few weeks ago, I probably hate it by now.

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DD5 replied on Fri, Oct 2 2009 9:13 AM
Ryan:
Instead, they argue that the 'individual good' is the 'common good' and the 'common good' is the 'individual good' as far as the market is free because if it that were to not be true, society would not exist.
I have no problem with the above statement. But when the "common good" is used to justify violence against the individual, then the above equality (individual good=common good) is not what is in the mind of the thinker. The thinker is then engaged in the mystical realm of the collective good vs. individual good. The justification for the Queen to be the true owner of the property does not seem compatible with the individualistic thinking that you have presented.
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It's just not true that statists hate privatization. Plenty of them are only too keen to privatize sectors of the government since it gives them a chance to sell a monopoly title to a rent seeker. Granted, I'm sort of equivocating here, but the point is that more often than not privatization doesn't lead to a more economic use of resources or to a freer market, it's not really something free market advocates should be endorsing uncritically. Look at Russia, it's not much more market oriented now than it was under the Soviets.

DD5:
I don't know.  People arguing for free markets on the basis that it is the best way to attain the goals for  "the common good" of the collective makes me sick.

Does it really? Without appearing as a "troll" or whatever words you crazy kids use these days, I'm seriously interest whether or not it actually makes you sick that people might support the market on the grounds that, say, the poor will be better off.

I see a lot of people making comments about their hatred for the state and how sick they feel at the bailouts. Of course, no action ever comes from this, at most there are a few blog posts and then people go back to their lives. Granted, I'm not a libertarian, but at least I'm up front about my views, I've never pretended to "hate the state" or whatever. The thing is, people here complain about how they're slaves etc. Yet, they mainly go around their lives just fine. To use a simple example, in spite of any laws against it they can still find weed with relative ease, kids under 16/18/21 just have to ask somebody old enough to go get them booze and they can drink and smoke all they want. To be honest I think it does an injustice to the people who live under some of the most totalitarian and coercive governments in the world and who are impoverished because of to say that they're "slaves".

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AJ replied on Fri, Oct 2 2009 2:00 PM

DD5:
People arguing for free markets on the basis that it is the best way to attain the goals for  "the common good" of the collective makes me sick.

Nevertheless, his anti-IP points are the strongest I have ever encountered, and they don't rely on his collectivist view at all. I hope everyone interested in IP watches it - just ignore the last 3 minutes.

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Laughing Man:

I was going to apply to Berkeley for my graduate work...now no thank you.

Where are you going to apply to now?

Truth and Liberty:

She sounds like someone desperately trying to save her job, career and 'industry'.  She knows her socialist drivel will not be valued without the state.

This.

MJGreen:

She makes a pretty compelling case for privatization.

Or are we supposed to regard entrepreneurship as a bad thing?

This.

GilesStratton:

It's just not true that statists hate privatization. Plenty of them are only too keen to privatize sectors of the government since it gives them a chance to sell a monopoly title to a rent seeker. Granted, I'm sort of equivocating here, but the point is that more often than not privatization doesn't lead to a more economic use of resources or to a freer market, it's not really something free market advocates should be endorsing uncritically. Look at Russia, it's not much more market oriented now than it was under the Soviets.

That is why I put "privatization" in quotes. I think most of us know that "privatization" is about as free market as a Republican.

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Daniel:
Where are you going to apply to now?

Claremont Graduate

UC Davis

UC Irvine

UC Santa Cruz

UC Riverside

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Laughing Man:

Daniel:
Where are you going to apply to now?

Claremont Graduate

UC Davis

UC Irvine

UC Santa Cruz

UC Riverside

I would take Berkeley over all of those and Claremont second. Why not UCLA?

 

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Solid_Choke:
I would take Berkeley over all of those and Claremont second. Why not UCLA?

I want to stay in state. The only school I would go out of state for is Auburn but that is just because the LvMi is there and plus I would get to gab Roderick Long's ear off. I'd probably spend more time in the philosophy department then in the history one if that were true. Anyways  graduate school is expensive enough with 5-7 years of instate tuition. I'm coming to realize that Berkeley is just a name only school. It has high school kids who roll around campus sticking people up in broad daylight while they walk to class. It has bizzaro teachers who probably won't give my theories the time of day.

 

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DD5 replied on Fri, Oct 2 2009 7:57 PM

GilesStratton:

The thing is, people here complain about how they're slaves etc. Yet, they mainly go around their lives just fine. To use a simple example, in spite of any laws against it they can still find weed with relative ease, kids under 16/18/21 just have to ask somebody old enough to go get them booze and they can drink and smoke all they want. To be honest I think it does an injustice to the people who live under some of the most totalitarian and coercive governments in the world and who are impoverished because of to say that they're "slaves".

I thank my good statist masters everyday that they are so kind and not as mean as those other masters in the more totalitarian States. 

I should be grateful for Obama and Bush for I could have lived under Saddam.

Giles, after you finish your degree, how long will it take you to say YES to a job offer at the Fed?  10 seconds, 20 seconds?

 

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Laughing Man:

Solid_Choke:
I would take Berkeley over all of those and Claremont second. Why not UCLA?

I want to stay in state. The only school I would go out of state for is Auburn but that is just because the LvMi is there and plus I would get to gab Roderick Long's ear off. I'd probably spend more time in the philosophy department then in the history one if that were true. Anyways  graduate school is expensive enough with 5-7 years of instate tuition. I'm coming to realize that Berkeley is just a name only school. It has high school kids who roll around campus sticking people up in broad daylight while they walk to class. It has bizzaro teachers who probably won't give my theories the time of day.

UCLA is in California. It's University of California, Los Angeles. :p Anyway, yeah Berkeley is a public school so it has to accept sub-genius students, unlike MIT. I think this does great harm to Cal's reputation. But I suppose the school you choose depends on what you do with the degree or what your plans/goals are.

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In some cases privitization is beneficial to the people in that sector because it abolsihes the monopsony buying their type of labour.  It just doesn't work for useless university professors.

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DD5:

I thank my good statist masters everyday that they are so kind and not as mean as those other masters in the more totalitarian States. 

I should be grateful for Obama and Bush for I could have lived under Saddam.

Giles, after you finish your degree, how long will it take you to say YES to a job offer at the Fed?  10 seconds, 20 seconds?

I'd like to thank my government masters for being indirectly responsible for creating black market cartels. We need our kids to grow a sack, and collude with some of MS-13's finest for some doobies. Nothing makes you more of a man like a government agency stripping you of your dignity, looting/destroying your property, and pointing a gun to your neck while stepping on it. I don't where I would be without them; probably living in some godless commie country.

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Daniel:
UCLA is in California. It's University of California, Los Angeles

Why the hell did I think it was in Carolina....?

I certainly don't want to live in Los Angeles. I'd probably get shot at my first day.

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Le Master replied on Fri, Oct 2 2009 11:41 PM

Some bored soul ought to transcript this video for everyone. I would, but I have serious trouble discerning a lot of what he says (which is a big reason why I'd like it transcripted).  I need to watch more BBC and get my ears more attuned to those damned accents.

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Laughing Man:

Daniel:
UCLA is in California. It's University of California, Los Angeles

Why the hell did I think it was in Carolina....?

I certainly don't want to live in Los Angeles. I'd probably get shot at my first day.

UCLA in the nice area of Los Angeles, next to Beverly Hills. At most, you'll get scammed by someone offering you to take you to the PlayBoy mansion. But USC (University of Southern California) is right in the middle of the rough parts of Los Angeles. There you might get shot. What about Stanford?

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zefreak replied on Sat, Oct 3 2009 1:12 AM

If you go to UCLA, we can be neighbors :)

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Daniel:
UCLA in the nice area of Los Angeles, next to Beverly Hills. At most, you'll get scammed by someone offering you to take you to the PlayBoy mansion.

Still I don't like big cities except for NYC.

Daniel:
What about Stanford?

Too expensive.

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DD5:

I thank my good statist masters everyday that they are so kind and not as mean as those other masters in the more totalitarian States. 

I should be grateful for Obama and Bush for I could have lived under Saddam.

Giles, after you finish your degree, how long will it take you to say YES to a job offer at the Fed?  10 seconds, 20 seconds?

That's nothing but a strawman, I've never said you should thank Obama and Bush for not being as bad. I think they're only better because the incentives of the US government force them to be. But that doesn't change the fact that you can, and do, spend a lot of your time writing about how much you hate the US government etc.

And as for my job at the Fed, in case you misunderstood me I said I wouldn't mind getting some sort of RA work at a central bank or other such organization, I hardly aspire to be the chairman of the Fed. If you've got anything serious to add, go for it, I'll respond. If you're just going to continue with this petulance I think I'm done here.

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GilesStratton:
I think they're only better because the incentives of the US government force them to be.

Is it really an incentive if you are forced to do something?

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