Marx :
Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer
does, but the everyday Jew.
Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us
look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew.
What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest.
What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his
worldly God? Money.
Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently
from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our
time.
An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions for
huckstering, and therefore the possibility of huckstering, would make
the Jew impossible.
seems like Marx hates Capitalists/Individualists/Jews <--pick one
silly Marx. Marx was emancipated from his jewishness, so no self-hating going on there. oh no.
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
nirgrahamUK: seems like Marx hates Capitalists/Individualists/Jews <--pick one
If you read that piece, it is an assault on egotism. He also attacks the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizens for establishing basic rights such as property, liberty, security and equality. Property & liberty are based on egotism.
'Men do not change, they unmask themselves' - Germaine de Stael
Jews were perceived to be inferior just because
Laughing Man:If you read that piece, it is an assault on egotism. He also attacks the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizens for establishing basic rights such as property, liberty, security and equality. Property & liberty are based on egotism.
I dont get it laughingman. yes, he is against egotism. this doesnt mean he isnt against jews. in fact. it supports he was against jews. since he spells out in his mind that capitalits=individualists=egoists=jews.
they all have to be emancipated from their jewishness (like Marx was), or else they are enemies of the proletariat (non-jews)
nirgrahamUK: I dont get it laughingman. yes, he is against egotism. this doesnt mean he isnt against jews. in fact. it supports he was against jews. since he spells out in his mind that capitalits=individualists=egoists=jews. they all have to be emancipated from their jewishness (like Marx was), or else they are enemies of the proletariat (non-jews)
That goes without saying for all bourgeois. He was not against jews anymore then he was against bourgeois thought.
Laughing Man: He was not against jews anymore then he was against bourgeois thought.
are you telling me that Marx did not hate the bourgeoisand did not incite socialists/proles to hate the bourgeois?
i dont know what you are telling me
nirgrahamUK:are you telling me that Marx did not hate the bourgeoisand did not incite socialists/proles to hate the bourgeois?
I'm telling you that a consciousness is determined by the forces of production. Therefore there is only the bourgeois and the proletariat. It is not like jews are some separate system of thought from bourgeois.
Laughing Man: It is not like jews are some separate system of thought from bourgeois.
what made you think that was an issue of dispute?
Marx's equation: people to hate are, the bourgeois =capitalists=individualists=egoists=jews.
so the Jews are in there, in the hating.synonymous as they are with all that stuff Marx hates and is emancipated from.
its nutz, but its not my insanity, its Marx's. isnt it?
Jonathan M. F. Catalán: Rothbard is in the wrong in this case.
No way!
He is correct in how he describes the popular holocaust history.
Its indisputable that the holocaust has been blamed on "doctrines of racial superiority and inferiority" and that link has been used to suppress of any talk of racial differences, no matter how scientific.
And he is correct when the points out why that blame is misplaced.
"In point of fact, however, it should be clear that Hitler and the Nazis did not persecute Jews because they believed Jews to be inferior in intelligence."
Or in other words, the holocaust is not linked with racial superiority. It should be noted that in order to maintain the holocaust as racism myth, the non-jewish victims of the holocaust are continually downplayed.
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nirgrahamUK: what made you think that was an issue of dispute? Marx's equation: people to hate are, the bourgeois =capitalists=individualists=egoists=jews. so the Jews are in there, in the hating.synonymous as they are with all that stuff Marx hates and is emancipated from. its nutz, but its not my insanity, its Marx's. isnt it?
But not all jews are bourgeois. There are jews who are bourgeois and thus their superstructure is one of a bourgeois.
it seems like Marx disagreed. he does so explicitly.
http://mises.org/Community/forums/p/11853/266865.aspx#266865
maybe its empty rhetoric, but who knows.
Yeah, this guy joined solely for the purpose of engaging in troll-like behavior. On this one, he has been completely smashed but it wasted lots of time. He is not banned yet. Maybe he will learn something here and have a change of heart.
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Completely smashed? I beg to differ.
I remember when this thread started and a mod threatened to graveyard it. At the time, I thought everything would be okay. I was wrong.
Yes, completely.
Freedom of markets is positively correlated with the degree of evolution in any society...
Snowflake: I remember when this thread started and a mod threatened to graveyard it.
I remember when this thread started and a mod threatened to graveyard it.
Not threatened; he did graveyard it.
O_Brien: Completely smashed? I beg to differ.
Beg all you want. I challenge you to refute what I've said in this thread.
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