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Leftist anarchists love violence

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Freedom4Me73986 Posted: Mon, Jul 18 2011 9:05 PM

I keep seeing posts about lefty anarchists attacking police and causing riots on these kinds of blogs:

http://waronsociety.noblogs.org/

http://sysiphus-angrynewsfromaroundtheworld.blogspot.com/

http://actforfreedomnow.wordpress.com/

http://feartosleep.blogspot.com/

Do you think there's a link between collectivist/leftist philosophy (which is an oxymoron since leftism is philosophically bankrupt) and violence? When we say, "Privatize the police!" they say, "Abolish the police!" They are hellbent on violence and destruction.

In a way, I think we should distance ourselves from lefty anarchists (even mutualists and "left libertarians") since associating with them will only make us look like we approve of their violent and destructive acts. This is also why I prefer to say "voluntaryist" or "anti-statist" as opposed to "anarchist". Pete Eyre from Free Keene and LOT calls himself a voluntaryist.

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Eric080 replied on Mon, Jul 18 2011 9:14 PM

They don't respect property and their insane opposition to all forms of authority lead them to believe that either their violence is justified or that they really believe "anything goes" and don't care that they are inflicting violence on others.  Many leftists will name-drop Bakunin or Proudhoun, but being an anarchist for a lot of them just serves as an excuse to cause riots.  Now I wouldn't say this of all leftist anarchists or anything like that, there is just an element in their ranks that I think acts like this.

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While I do not personally endorse violence, I don't poo-poo anyone who fights the police. I have a hard time believing the state will "go quietly." Those with power try to hold onto it.

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While I do not personally endorse violence, I don't poo-poo anyone who fights the police. I have a hard time believing the state will "go quietly." Those with power try to hold onto it.

The NAP trumps everything as far as I'm concerned. Force is force. It doesn't matter if the police use it against you or you use it against the police.

I generally support Rothbard's idea: work within the system and privatize state functions. Free staters are doing this at this very moment in NH. They understand, unlike the leftists, that the state can't go through force.

 

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Em_ptySkin replied on Mon, Jul 18 2011 10:56 PM

Extremism in defense of liberty is no sin?

The tree of liberty is watered how?

I don't condone violence either, but police aren't people in my eyes.  Their training dumbs them down too much to reason with.  They act like animals when they think they are justified in exercising power.  Let the leftists do the fighting for us.  Anarchists need support in every category.  Far Left will agree with us on the misuse of authority from banks, governments, and corporations; they can fight and get arrested, after all, they are helping to undermine authorities power and resources.

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Neodoxy replied on Mon, Jul 18 2011 11:08 PM

I think it's simply the fact that historically leftist anarchism has been a very violent ideology due to the total overhaul of the system, and the residue left from Marx. It's a response to the perceived injustices which is a system of pure exploitation and poverty. I feel as though they are also exasperated by a system that has apparently been ignoring them for so long despite their best efforts and rich heritage.

So a large part of it is just the history of their ideology and the scope of their indignation

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The state is a minority in population. All you need is for enough people to understand the problems with the state. States get their power from seeming legitimate. We have to do the same.

Freedom has always been the only route to progress.

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John Ess replied on Tue, Jul 19 2011 3:54 PM

For the billionth time... why do you care what statists think about you or movements against the state?

Anarchism is just a fact about the non-existence of a priori authority beyond self-ownership.  Which I assume that socialist anarchists agree with, but differ in thinking that capitalism does not achieve this end.  The mutualists do not advocate violence, and oppose capitalism only in so far as it does not achieve the anarchist end.  I don't think socialist anarchists advocate violence except against the state and state privileges.  They aren't looking to hurt you.  The NAP is useful only in cases when people agree to ethics or rational discourse, which doesn't apply to the state, the state's cronies, and/or people who physically try to attack you.  Of course, in this latter situation people know they must at the very least use enough force and aggression to prevent them.

Voluntarism is something else.  That because of anarchism, life should be voluntary.   At least as much as logically possible.  Which again, ends with a question of what this means.  It is not a plan.

Calling yourself either of them is fine, but seems shallow.  Since they are things which are derived from logic and observation as a conclusion, rather than choices.  They aren't methodologies, per se.  It is like being 'evolutionist', instead of a zoologist or biologist.

Just go live in NH.  Quit spamming about it here.

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Why do you think that you have to distance yourself from Left Libs? or Mutualists for that matter? For the most part, the main difference between left libs and I is how we few the market. Most left-libs do not endorse violence. I think that is a major strawman to most of the left libs out there.

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Someone's gotta riot?

If everyone was a pansy hand washing ethicist, then the riots in Greece and the EU would get nowhere.

Let me ask this...do the market people (i am one) think for one second that the governments of the world should be privatizing their revenue bearing assets to these banks?

In my opinion, i'm glad the left/anarchos riot and combat police.  Even though the proper response is what Iceland did. "Just GTFO.  And don't hold your breath on that check IMF."

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