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Is Civilization Evil?

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Malachi replied on Fri, Jun 8 2012 8:22 PM
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I will leave. I said July to shut John James up. If I knew the state wasn't going to cage me for leaving civ I would leave tomorrow.

You need to work on your approach, porky. Are you familiar with daniel quinn? Read beyond civilization.
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Freedom4Me73986:

[...]If I knew the state wasn't going to cage me for leaving civ I would leave tomorrow.

 

I don't see why you couldn't fall off the map now. There's lots of wilderness where you could continue living without tech and contact with civilization, and the state wouldn't go looking for you.

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Anenome replied on Fri, Jun 8 2012 10:53 PM

There are literally unexplored wilderness sections within 50 miles of Los Angeles; there's a lot more out there than you seem to be willing to admit. Move to Alaska, you could spend the rest of your life wandering forests without meeting another human being in some areas I bet, all with plenty of wood and food up there.

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Anenome replied on Fri, Jun 8 2012 11:11 PM

They made a great movie/book about a kid who thinks like this guy in some respects, it was called 'Into the Wild.'

Suffice it to say, it did not end well for that kid, and not because the state found him :P But rather because he greatly underestimated his ability to survive on his own in nature, despite being a hardcore wilderness explorer. All it takes is one situation you can't handle, one mistake you can't on your own rectify--he ate some poisonous plants during a famine-period, ones that looked very similar to plants that were good to eat, and it was over for him. The poison disables the digestive system so that one cannot digest anything further. He slowly died of starvation over the next three days, knowing that it would take him at least five days to hike out of there, even at full strength.

Trapped, no way out, he wrote in his journal as he lay dying.

Had he been in contact with civilization, he would've received medical treatment and survived no problem.

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whoknows replied on Wed, Jul 25 2012 4:22 PM

That movie was actually one of the sparks that lit my own desire for the same thing Freedom4Me73986 is talking about. The idea of self-reliance is easy to romanticize, and an ideal a lot of people would probably agree with, in theory. The reality is a bit stark for most people. Everybody eventually dies. Collectivism and inter-dependence won't change that.

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