Le Master: The Late Andrew Ryan:When you flip shit at the huge disadvantage of using free market as your economy and the huge advantages of using planned economy in the little known but incredibly awesome game Sid Miere's Alpha Centauri That reminds me. I was debating someone last week about taxes and roads (he claimed to be an Econ/PoliSci major) and eventually his only rebuttal was: I'd like you to go play Sim City on hard mode and not try to use any tax money. Oh wait you can't.
The Late Andrew Ryan:When you flip shit at the huge disadvantage of using free market as your economy and the huge advantages of using planned economy in the little known but incredibly awesome game Sid Miere's Alpha Centauri
That reminds me. I was debating someone last week about taxes and roads (he claimed to be an Econ/PoliSci major) and eventually his only rebuttal was:
I'd like you to go play Sim City on hard mode and not try to use any tax money. Oh wait you can't.
Wow. When that's ur only end argument.... Tell him to try to run the entire world and its economy from your computer... Oh wait you can't
....when you think it is okay that Miley Cyrus makes millions while people are starving
.....when you read legislation to understand it even when you know it is all wrong.
.....when you start to call Ron Paul mainstream.
.......when you think that money should be backed by commodities but that if some of it is not, it is others' choice to accept such payment.
.....when you stop defending liberty and tell people to defend the State.
........when you bring the idea of "self-ownership" into every political and economic debate; and when people deny it, you say tell them they can't get mad if you shoot them.
.....when you hit on people telling them they make you want to change your time preference.
When you realize that most of the anti-capitalist arguments are appeals to emotion.
To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process. Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!" Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."
When you realize that all arguments for the state are based on false premises.
When you explain Marx's explicit and implicit definitions of capitalism to an anti-capitalist, and the anti-capitalist sarcastically calls you a "know-it-all."
When you use terms like "civilized" and "uncivilized" instead of "private" and "public"
That's a really effective one. You're welcome. :p
I generally use free market - but so there is more revenue to steal! I don't care if my soldiers make my people unhappy, and I don't even nerve-staple them. I just give them bread and circuses, and keep pouring the hovertanks over the land bridges I built between the continents. But that is just me, in my absolutist, might-makes-right Civ and Alpha Centuri game playing personality. And anyway, they attacked me first! So what if it was in turn 15?
One hundred trillion Zimbabwe dollar note
jason4liberty:I generally use free market - but so there is more revenue to steal! I don't care if my soldiers make my people unhappy, and I don't even nerve-staple them. I just give them bread and circuses, and keep pouring the hovertanks over the land bridges I built between the continents. But that is just me, in my absolutist, might-makes-right Civ and Alpha Centuri game playing personality. And anyway, they attacked me first! So what if it was in turn 15?
when you use an example about a ham sandwich to illustrate the enormous complexity of the free market, or use Pepsi to illustrate a world without scarcity.
when you realize that you have more faith in humanity than all of the statists who want to steal your money to "help" people, because you trust people help themselves.
when your wife has a discussion with a facebook friend, and you feel that you must intercede to correctly articulate the arguments.
when someone asks "Well, what kind of money should the US use?" and you smack your head because they were soooooooo close!
when you use examples like Rome, Greece, and Zimbabwe to illustrate the same point, and/or say that the only difference between a 1, 100, and 100,000 dollar note is the number of zeroes, and that the State has the technology to put on as many as they need.
when you realize that almost no one argues against you with logic, and/or you can't listen to most arguments without thinking about the Simpson's quote "Won't somebody please think about the children!!!"
when you ask people to state their assumptions in a conversation that isn't about the hard sciences.
when the market isn't just someplace you go for vegetables, and The Market is almost pronounced with a capital T and M.
when you state that the US hasn't had a free market in generations, and you then can engage your conversation partner in an hour long discussion about what a free market actually means.
when you are willing to let someone be as moronic as they want, as long as they can't take anything from you.
when your concern isn't so much about lost jobs or housing prices, but the destruction of a monetary regime.
when you honestly believe that a system based on individual liberty and freedom of contract is not only right, but the most efficient way to accomplish the stated objectives of nearly everyone (as opposed to the unstated objectives of command and control).
when the people you debate excel in argumentum ad hominem, for they can't parry your logic or reason.
"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall." -Thomas Paine
This is an amusing thread, I have had personal experience with people yelling at me in Ron Paul forums to stop trying to convert them to anarcho-capitalism, lol.
... when you believe the Constitution was the worst piece of legislation in history because it only convinces people that they have control over their government.
... when you believe people do not have the inherent right to stolen money (welfare) because they've been brought up in a "hard childhood".
... when you believe billionaires help poor and middle class people more than anyone by providing useful services and capital for investments.
... when you believe that "fellow Americans" are no more worthy of jobs and money than anyone else in the world.
Robbery: The nation's fastest growing career!
Duties: Giving the people their bread and circuses, extracting payment by force, validating legitimacy, etc.
Job Outlook: Ever increasing and shows no signs of stopping!
.....when you convince the good-lookin' blonde at the bar that ducolax is the fundamental proposition of regularity.
"Oh, I wish I could pray the way this dog looks at the meat" - Martin Luther
G8R HED: .....when you convince the good-lookin' blonde at the bar that ducolax is the fundamental proposition of regularity.
.... You lost me there.
...and the #1 reason...drum roll, please...
...when any discussion with anyone--no matter the original topic--invariably turns into a heated debate about THE ROADS !!! AAARGH!!
**David Letterman music plays...**
Disclaimer: Layperson - don't assume anything I say on economics is true.
......you cringe whenever you hear someone say "the people." I've never met "the people" and I don't know why they take 45% of my income.
"If we wish to preserve a free society, it is essential that we recognize that the desirability of a particular object is not sufficient justification for the use of coercion."
... When you get angry every time you hear Judge Napolitano's intro to his show, "Freedom Watch."
when frankly, you just get tired arguing with people because you know they're not going to understand you.
And when you can't stand the fact that people lump you with neoclassicalism as it is today.
... When it no longer surprises you when someone calls Ron Paul a neoliberal.
When you demand an intellectual WIN every day. And you get depressed on the days you don't find a positive development in the world.
…you read the U.S. constitution in place of the funny papers, and the declaration of independence is a good backup for when the “TITANIC” dvd is scratched lmao
[yeah, cuz the govenment is allll for independence right? That's what I thought]
I firmly state that government is best which governs least.
When you flip shit at the huge disadvantage of using free market as your economy and the huge advantages of using planned economy in the little known but incredibly awesome game Sid Miere's Alpha Centauri
As a corollary to that: when you roll your eyes when playing Civilization IV and the State Property civic eliminates maintenance costs, raises production (?!), and increases food from watermills and workshops (?!?!).
Also, I found this when playing one of my favorite mods of the game, Rhyes and Fall of Civilization:
Ack, you can't see it. Well, it says that new ways to decrease inflation was found and that if you pay some money out of your treasury and establish a Fed, you cut inflation by 25%. If you let the free market handle it, inflation is only cut by 10%. What a load of crap, huh? It's the same mod where depressions are caused when your finances get much higher than your production (underconsumptionist theory for the lose).
....When your debates invariably end up being a fight over the necessity of Firefighters.
when you are reading this thread trying to think of something clever but you eventually just end up posting this while stuffing your mouth with Apple Jacks.
"It has been well said that, while we used to suffer from social evils, we now suffer from the remedies for them."
F.A. Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty
When you end up convincing your friends, and strangers that anarcho-capitalism is the best alternative and don't know how you started the conversation out.
When your Professor can't help but include anarchy in every mention of systems like aristocracy, monarchy and democracy, and looks at you every single time he says Anarchy.
When you use the opinion section of a paper to try to convert your teacher over to anarchism.
When you've convinced all your immediate family that we ALL prohibitions are crap.
Freedom has always been the only route to progress.
When you favor less government than the (lefty/socialist/commie/pinko/etc.) anarchists at school.
- When you accuse a local talk radio station of being "shills for the regime" because they openly support ratting people out who own "illegal" firearms.
- When you get cut-off from said radio station for being more "radical" than pan-Africanists and neo-Mercantilists.
- When you mix in the phrase: "Of course the state loves killing people, it's what it does best" whenever talk of politics arises. (Thanks to Mr. Rockwell for that gem)
"When your Professor can't help but include anarchy in every mention of systems like aristocracy, monarchy and democracy, and looks at you every single time he says Anarchy"
Lol replace 'anarchy' with 'Hayek' or 'Austrians' and thats me and my political economy lecturer.
"... When you make people uncomfortable by asking them to define their terms."
I read that to my wife and she cracked up because it has been at the focal point of many recent arguments among friends and myself.
Sage: "... When you make people uncomfortable by asking them to define their terms."
This would be so funny if it wasn't so sad.
I tend to go green economy because efficiency and mind worm captue FTW!!! Usually I just put the rules on pick your own research path an go for Eudamonia which is the ultimate increase of win in the game. I find free market impractical cuz the gians attack you instantly and it's such a wartime disadvantage and total war is inevitable in that game..... NERD SPEAK FTW!!!! When you use the term "statist" interchangeably with self righteous thief
psh.
free market/wealth is unstoppable. if you absolutely *must* have a military, go for clean reactors. it won't upset your cities when they are supporting so many troops. but I've never had problems with invading armies, I just buy up the poor hive soldiers and turn them on their former comrades (ah, capitalism). my division of labor between workers/supply carriers is so clean that my citizens could watch pornography all day and still have plenty of food to survive and pop out a new wonder whenever I feel like it. but if you turtle up and play the rothbardian, you you'll be able to out tech, out defend, and out produce anyone in the game.
plus, I make that barren, ugly planet in my own image, full of thermal boreholes, condensors, forests...ah...it feels goot to be an an-cap.
When you consider Walter Block, Stephen Molyneux, Adam Kokesh, Jeffrey Tucker and David Friedman to be celebrities/idols.
When you start using phrases like "voluntary" and "nonaggression" more then the word "anarchy".
When you constantly fall into agreement and disagreement with everyone around you but for different reasons.
When you use phrases like "circular logic", "ad hominem" and "no true scotsman" more then the average person.
When you have that Murray Rothbard shirt from the mises.org shop.
"When you have Laissez Faire tattoo'd on your chest." Now that is a tattoo I might actually get. Although i'd use the whole quote, "Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"
... When you stop talking about politics with other people.
... When you are asked to vote for the most liberal (in the old sense) political party available and you say "No, I don't like socialism." True story. The guy couldn't compute what I said.
...when must constantly, in class, clarify points for your professors about the New Deal or the history of the FED.
...when you just want the banks to collapse so we can have a laugh.
....when you start noticing inter-personal information asymmetries between friends. Then, when you point out the gap of misunderstanding in the opposing parties opinions, you are the one that ends up 'in the wrong'.
...when interest rates don't cause inflation.
Eating Propaganda
What do you mean i don't care how your day was?!
...when you tell your friends that reading fiction is a waste of time. Harry Potter is bullshit; read Aliester Crowely if you want magik, n00bs.
...when reading Jefferson and Say, you confirm your prior natural estimates about things and that it is, in fact, everyone else that is crazy.
...when examples of an "Orwellian society" are no longer revelations, but trite/cliche/passe annoyances with their repetition, flagrancy, and stunning, non-sensical effectiveness on "everyone else."
...when you'd rather use "the market" than "the community"...
...when you automatically think that there's a "gun in the room" when a problem in society occurs, even if you can't find it.
...when you use, exploit, and consume public services and property as much as you can and think you've made a virtous effort in undermining the government.
...when you look for opportunities in using the black market even when it's unnecessary and causes a gain loss.
...when you automatically presumes in advance that politicians and tax funded agencies and institutions always is talking bullshit, when you thank that it's their natural state.
...when you say no to alcohol a saturday night, because you have planned to read a Murray Rothbard book the forthcoming morning, and you don't want to spoil that experience with a hangover.
..when you talk about 'freedom' daily and not just around the time of 4th of july
...when you wonder why people still celebrate 4th of july
... when you do not need Google Translate to know what 'Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito' means
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Production is 'anarchistic' - Ludwig von Mises
... When, rather than listen to music, on the way to school you listen to Rothbard lectures
... When you find said Rothbard lectures so amusing that they make you laugh your ass off in the middle of the street
...When someone asks you what you listening to and you answer "Econ lectures"