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Does anyone know the source of this quote?

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Sukrit Posted: Mon, Oct 26 2009 3:03 AM

 Does anyone know the source of this quote? Would be useful for my history essay.

"A country can be defined as a group of people with a shared misunderstanding of their history and a common hatred of their neighbours".

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Nielsio replied on Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:19 PM

As Ernest Renan noted, history is not so much about collective memory, but first of all about forgetting. He defined the nation as: “… a group of people united by a common hatred of their neighbours and a shared misunderstanding of their past.”

As found here:

http://www.socialistsanddemocrats.eu/gpes/media3/documents/2856_EN_politics_past_en_090603.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Renan

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Juan replied on Mon, Oct 26 2009 2:31 PM
"A country can be defined as a group of people with a shared misunderstanding of their history and a common hatred of their neighbours."

Haha. Amazing quote.

February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church.
Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."

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Sukrit replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 12:41 AM

Are you sure it's Renan? According to Wikipedia: "Karl Deutsch (in Nationalism and its alternatives) suggested that a nation is 'a group of people united by a mistaken view about the past and a hatred of their neighbours.' This phrase is frequently, but mistakenly, attributed to Renan himself."

 

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Nielsio replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 1:30 AM

I'm just quoting that PDF. If Wikipedia says that's a common mistake, then they obviously know more about it.

 

I wonder what alternative Deutsch offers in his "Nationalism and its alternatives".

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Nielsio replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 1:33 AM

Oh, here is a review of it.

 

http://www.roadtopeace.org/whatcanwedo.php?itemid=101

 

Which includes the quote.

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