February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church. Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."
but there are unrevealed religions that can be proved? or is 'revealed' irrelevant to your argument?
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
I don't understand the push to turn stupidity and cognitive error into illegitimate crime. maybe we should just stop there. you understand it, i dont.
I don't understand the push to turn stupidity and cognitive error into illegitimate crime.
Bastiat:If plunder arms the strong against the weak, it no less lets loose the intelligent upon the credulous. What industrious peoples are there on earth who have escaped exploitation at the hand of sacerdotal theocracies, Egyptian priests, Greek oracles, Roman augurs, Gallic druids, brahmins, muftis, ulemas, bonzes, monks, ministers, mountebanks, sorcerers, soothsayers, plunderers of all garbs and denominations? It is the genius of plunderers of this ilk to place their fulcrum in heaven and to glory in a sacrilegious complicity with God! They put in chains, not men's bodies alone, but their minds as well. They put the brand of servitude as much upon the conscience of a Seid as upon the brow of a Spartacus, thus achieving what would seem to be impossible: the enslavement of the mind.
Juan:If plunder arms the strong against the weak,
Juan:They put in chains, not men's bodies alone,
ok, enough then. we aren't even discussing it any more ;-)
I would like to meet just one person who does not fit like a glove into all criteria for either "cultural conservative" or "cultural liberal". How utterly weakminded to just roll over and manufacture one's identity by copy and paste.
I don't fit neatly into either box.
I agree with cultural conservatives on things like natural law,importance of family /monogamy,need for objective morality, pro corporal punishment ,Believe in hierarchy & authority ,critical of multicultural aka cultural relativism, opposed to political correctness ,opposed to hedonism/skepticism/nihilism/relativism/ post-modernism , willing to accept men and women are quite different but not inferior or superior etc
but then i agree with cultural liberals in that i'm atheist though not militantly so ,I'm pro-choice in abortion, pro gay rights,Pro Individualist feminism i.e. wendy mcelroy,have a wider conception of morality and sexuality than conservatives,open to 'counterculture' in music & some art- though i'm not into art for arts sake or post modern art, consider myself something of a cosmopolitan and am opposed to sexism ,racism- which i consider to be a social construct- and homophobia - which i consider to be genetic(though i'm not denying conservatives can and are opposed to these things too too) .
I don't really want to comment or read anything here.I have near zero in common with many of you.I may return periodically when there's something you need to know.
Near Mutualist/Libertarian Socialist.
On the religion issue i'm not sure anymore whether religion is immoral or not. My views have changed alot over the years on it. When i was younger i was a christian then became atheist then indifferent atheist then discovered objectivism and became a militant atheist and now after discovering rothbard lew etc i'm just happy being atheist. These days i recognize that religious people can be good moral people despite the fact i disagree with their beliefs in god or morality.I also see that religion is in many cases the enemy of government.Remember government has killed more people in the 20th century than the major religious conflicts and killing periods have.probably government's killed more than religion ever has.
Religions have lots to offer in terms of wisdom and poetry of the language.You can take an interest in the ideas without necessarily believing in god.personally i quite like david lipscomb and thomas aquinas.If you dismiss religion you leave out alot of history and intelligent thought.
Scott F: On the religion issue i'm not sure anymore whether religion is immoral or not. ... Religions have lots to offer in terms of wisdom and poetry of the language.You can take an interest in the ideas without necessarily believing in god.personally i quite like david lipscomb and thomas aquinas.If you dismiss religion you leave out alot of history and intelligent thought.
On the religion issue i'm not sure anymore whether religion is immoral or not.
...
You forget all the worst governments were/are theistic in nature. Aquinas is fine considering the time he was around, but it's not like all his ideas are purely a Christian ideal. It all depends on *which* ideas we're talking about.
I do not find any importance in determining if a person is "moral", it's only a matter if a particular action is good or bad, i.e. moral or not moral. So a religious person could be a decent person but simply be misguided; and they're probably misguided because of all the things Juan has posted in this thread. Religion is really just poison for the mind; it should be avoided.