Stranger: Daniel Muffinburg: When was the last time they sued someone for copyright infringement. When was the last time someone violated it?
Daniel Muffinburg: When was the last time they sued someone for copyright infringement.
When was the last time they sued someone for copyright infringement.
When was the last time someone violated it?
This is rather disingenuous when you're looking at a organization's whose goal would benefit from the widespread distribution of Austrian books.
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Stranger: kiba: If you have known, the Creative Common Attribution license is posted under the main site. Also, David Veksler is looking for people to set up bittorrent servers, last time I check. Also, Jeffery Trucker, the webmaster of this site is explicitly anti-IP. And yet, despite their fluctuating opinions, they still use copyright.
kiba: If you have known, the Creative Common Attribution license is posted under the main site. Also, David Veksler is looking for people to set up bittorrent servers, last time I check. Also, Jeffery Trucker, the webmaster of this site is explicitly anti-IP.
If you have known, the Creative Common Attribution license is posted under the main site. Also, David Veksler is looking for people to set up bittorrent servers, last time I check.
Also, Jeffery Trucker, the webmaster of this site is explicitly anti-IP.
And yet, despite their fluctuating opinions, they still use copyright.
Do you know what a defensive copyright is?
To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process. Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!" Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."
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tucker had written that in his understanding If authors don't copyright their work by appealing to the legal-fiction-supporting state, then others are free not just to distribute their work (who could be against that right?) but more importantly, could copyright the work themselves, and bar the actual authors and the Mises Institute from publishing the work.
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
Daniel Muffinburg: Do you know what a defensive copyright is?
Such a thing makes no sense, as they have witnesses to their being the original producers.
What the copyright does do is prevent another publisher from selling books copyright by the Mises Institute, and thus create a "monopoly" on such books for the Mises store.
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Stranger: AJ: Maxliberty:...my being forced to share information... You've dismantled your entire position in six words. Because: What actual action are you being forced to perform or refrain from performing when someone copies something from you? (Remember we're assuming no other laws are broken by that person in the process - no trespass, etc.) You are forced to allow them to access your media.
AJ: Maxliberty:...my being forced to share information... You've dismantled your entire position in six words. Because: What actual action are you being forced to perform or refrain from performing when someone copies something from you? (Remember we're assuming no other laws are broken by that person in the process - no trespass, etc.)
Maxliberty:...my being forced to share information...
You've dismantled your entire position in six words. Because: What actual action are you being forced to perform or refrain from performing when someone copies something from you? (Remember we're assuming no other laws are broken by that person in the process - no trespass, etc.)
You are forced to allow them to access your media.
Not when it's out on the net already, or when you don't effectively restrict access. Those are the scenarios being discussed - obviously, as all others would entail violating other laws ("actual property rights") as I wrote above.
Now name the actual action you are forced to perform or refrain from, or you have no argument.
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Stranger: Daniel Muffinburg: Do you know what a defensive copyright is? Such a thing makes no sense, as they have witnesses to their being the original producers. What the copyright does do is prevent another publisher from selling books copyright by the Mises Institute, and thus create a "monopoly" on such books for the Mises store.
Yes, you understand it now. Current IP laws are nonsense. Sounds like enlightenment to me.
Would LvMI even care if another publisher does it?
I'll still buy LvMI's books anyway.
kiba: Would LvMI even care if another publisher does it?
Obviously they do, which is why it says "All rights reserved" instead of "you may freely reproduce this work".
Stranger: kiba: Would LvMI even care if another publisher does it? Obviously they do, which is why it says "All rights reserved" instead of "you may freely reproduce this work".
Doug French's book, which is a fairly recent publication, doesn't have copyright in the PDF. http://mises.org/Books/bubbles.pdf
Stranger, I dare you to write an email to the institute stating simply the ISBN number of the book, that you are aware that they have the copyright, and whether you may have permission to freely reproduce this work. say nothing else, keep it short and relatively anonymous and lets see what the response is.
Perhaps LvMI is limited by its organizational inefficiency to be able to change that copyright notice.
It is one thing to put your entire site under creative commons, but quite another to change every copyright notice in all LvMI's library.
nirgrahamUK: Stranger, I dare you to write an email to the institute stating simply the ISBN number of the book, that you are aware that they have the copyright, and whether you may have permission to freely reproduce this work. say nothing else, keep it short and relatively anonymous and lets see what the response is.
Actually it says in the book that they can give you permission to reproduce if asked. But you must get their consent to do so, hence it is an exercise in intellectual property.
Daniel Muffinburg: Doug French's book, which is a fairly recent publication, doesn't have copyright in the PDF. http://mises.org/Books/bubbles.pdf
French's book is based on his master's thesis which belongs to the university, it may not be copyrightable.
ok, forget that first idea. so.... ask them whether they meant what they said when they wrote in their book that you had to ask for permission.
i want to see if they tell you, "yes we want people to ask permission". or "don't bother asking permission 'from us' "
nirgrahamUK:ok, forget that first idea. so.... ask them whether they meant what they said when they wrote in their book that you had to ask for permission.
I don't know how far you are willing to go to cover yourself with ridicule, but at this stage I consider all of your arguments refuted.
Good night.
Stranger: nirgrahamUK: Stranger, I dare you to write an email to the institute stating simply the ISBN number of the book, that you are aware that they have the copyright, and whether you may have permission to freely reproduce this work. say nothing else, keep it short and relatively anonymous and lets see what the response is. Actually it says in the book that they can give you permission to reproduce if asked. But you must get their consent to do so, hence it is an exercise in intellectual property.
Physical books that were published under copyright, but are now in public domain, still carry the copyright notice in them. Are you seriously asking why a publisher, in this case LvMI, doesn't go around removing those notices from every single book that is now in public domain?
Daniel Muffinburg: Physical books that were published under copyright, but are now in public domain, still carry the copyright notice in them. Are you seriously asking why a publisher, in this case LvMI, doesn't go around removing those notices from every single book that is now in public domain?
It was in a PDF.
Stranger: Daniel Muffinburg: Doug French's book, which is a fairly recent publication, doesn't have copyright in the PDF. http://mises.org/Books/bubbles.pdf French's book is based on his master's thesis which belongs to the university, it may not be copyrightable.
Since I have the courage to admit that I have made a mistake, then I openly agree with you and admit my mistake.
Here is Walter Block's book on roads: http://mises.org/books/roads_web.pdf
ok, i will write the mail since you will not. thanks for providing the ISBN.
p.s. perhaps when you wake up tomorrow, and after you have had your fill of laughing at me, you will consider the weakness of your position.
to wit : http://mises.org/Community/forums/p/13225/288170.aspx#288170
in brief;
you believe that short texts are not IP, but longer texts that people with advanced memories would struggle to recall in perfection are IP.
you believe that one need not have played a part in an act of trespass in order to be an accomplice to a trespass
cya tomorrow
Stranger: Daniel Muffinburg: Physical books that were published under copyright, but are now in public domain, still carry the copyright notice in them. Are you seriously asking why a publisher, in this case LvMI, doesn't go around removing those notices from every single book that is now in public domain? It was in a PDF.
Irrelevant. I'm talking about physical books, hence, the first two words in my previous post.
Daniel Muffinburg: Since I have the courage to admit that I have made a mistake, then I openly agree with you and admit my mistake. Here is Walter Block's book on roads: http://mises.org/books/roads_web.pdf
Also copyrighted:
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Stranger: Daniel Muffinburg: Since I have the courage to admit that I have made a mistake, then I openly agree with you and admit my mistake. Here is Walter Block's book on roads: http://mises.org/books/roads_web.pdf Also copyrighted: © 2009 by the Ludwig von Mises Institute and publishedunder the Creative Commons Attribution License 3.0.http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Ludwig von Mises Institute518 West Magnolia AvenueAuburn, Alabama 36832www.mises.orgISBN: 978-1-933550-04-6
Now, reconcile that with the concept of defensive copyright.
Stranger, I have no idea what you think you are demonstrating? that the Mises Institute are not immune from the ravages of the state and its absurd legal fictions?
nirgrahamUK: Stranger, I have no idea what you think you are demonstrating? that the Mises Institute are not immune from the ravages of the state and its absurd legal fictions?
And there are states around the world that doesn't even allow you to claim public domain.
Daniel Muffinburg: Now, reconcile that with the concept of defensive copyright.
In the sense that it defends you from making copies outside of terms of the license, it is just like any other copyright and is enforcement of intellectual property.
They could easily release it into the public domain if they chose to. They do not. They exercise intellectual property rights.
Stranger: Also copyrighted: © 2009 by the Ludwig von Mises Institute and publishedunder the Creative Commons Attribution License 3.0.http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/Ludwig von Mises Institute518 West Magnolia AvenueAuburn, Alabama 36832www.mises.orgISBN: 978-1-933550-04-6
You are free:
Under the following conditions:
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Stranger: Daniel Muffinburg: Now, reconcile that with the concept of defensive copyright. In the sense that it defends you from making copies outside of terms of the license, it is just like any other copyright and is enforcement of intellectual property. They could easily release it into the public domain if they chose to. They do not. They exercise intellectual property rights.
Beside the fact that LvMI basically give you an open season on copying, distributing, and even modifying it.
JackCuyler: You are free: to Share - to copy, distribute and transmit the work to Remix - to adapt the work Under the following conditions: Attribution - You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).
But if you do not believe in IP, why would you uphold any of these conditions? Information wants to be free after all, no?
Stranger:But if you do not believe in IP, why would you uphold any of these conditions? Information wants to be free after all, no?
http://blog.mises.org/archives/009240.asp
Stranger: JackCuyler: You are free: to Share - to copy, distribute and transmit the work to Remix - to adapt the work Under the following conditions: Attribution - You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work). But if you do not believe in IP, why would you uphold any of these conditions? Information wants to be free after all, no?
Kinsella said it is hard. http://blog.mises.org/archives/009240.asp
kiba: Kinsella said it is hard. http://blog.mises.org/archives/009240.asp
I didn't ask what Kinsella thinks the legality of copyright implies, I asked whether you believed you had to uphold it. What's stopping you from republishing these books with your name in the title? According to everyone here, the Mises Institute would not object.
Stranger:What's stopping you from republishing these books with your name in the title? According to everyone here, the Mises Institute would not object.
stranger, if you want me to, i'll email you a pdf i got off of mises.org. will that do it?
i'll edit it to say 'distributed by Nir Graham' ...........
Stranger:I didn't ask what Kinsella thinks the legality of copyright implies, I asked whether you believed you had to uphold it. What's stopping you from republishing these books with your name in the title? According to everyone here, the Mises Institute would not object.
That would be fraud, the same as me selling you pyrite and claiming it's gold.
Stranger: kiba: Kinsella said it is hard. http://blog.mises.org/archives/009240.asp I didn't ask what Kinsella thinks the legality of copyright implies, I asked whether you believed you had to uphold it. What's stopping you from republishing these books with your name in the title? According to everyone here, the Mises Institute would not object.
A strawman.
We're talking about copying, modifying, and distribution, not fraud through misrepresenting that you're the author of this book.
nirgrahamUK: Stranger:What's stopping you from republishing these books with your name in the title? According to everyone here, the Mises Institute would not object. stranger, if you want me to, i'll email you a pdf i got off of mises.org. will that do it? i'll edit it to say 'distributed by Nir Graham' ...........
That is not yet a violation of the copyright license. Why are you unwilling to violate the license? According to you, it is null and void.
what are you challenging me to do? lie?
nirgrahamUK: what are you challenging me to do? lie?
No, I am challenging you to steal. Which you claim is not wrong and the Mises Institute will not punish, yet are unwilling to commit. Your actions speak louder than your claims.
Stranger: nirgrahamUK: what are you challenging me to do? lie? No, I am challenging you to steal. Which you claim is not wrong and the Mises Institute will not punish, yet are unwilling to commit. Your actions speak louder than your claims.
Nobody can "steal" if the dude given permission.
Steal what? Take one of the books, scan them, and put them up on a different website for free and see if Mises.org cares? What am I stealing?
its impossible for me to steal intangibles. i could not do it if i wanted to.
p.s. i download films and music all the time just as i download books from mises.org