With the Libertarian Party associated with hippies and fringe lunatics, and libertarianism associated with immorally greedy, lifestyle-enabling establishment groups like Cato and Reason, the need for a new label to give the movement against political power, that is to say both the old "remnant" and the young activists that have rallied to Ron Paul's presidential campaign, is urgent. Fortunately, Ron Paul's most original campaign issue, the gold standard, offers the symbol around which to build this new organization. Gold is simultaneously a color, creating an immediately recognizable emblem that sets the party apart from others (much like the Green Party) and a free, decentralized currency, which symbolizes the submission of political power to natural laws of human action.
The Gold Party platform must be first of all populist, prepared to expose the power of those which enjoy special privileges of protection from public law, such as the police, the government bureaucracies, and obviously politicians.
The Gold Party works for universal justice, one law for all men, and thus the abolition of a monopoly situation for any court.
The Gold Party is opposed to electoral politics as it is an enabler of political power, giving those who are elected legitimacy to corrupt justice.
The Party therefore seeks the abolition of the "democratic system" even though it participates in it. This is not unusual, given that various communist parties have participated in elections in the 20th century, and conservative parties participated in elections in the 19th century seeking to restore monarchy.
Some examples of issues for the GP to champion:
- Monetary freedom (this is the flagship issue which symbolizes everything the party stands for.)
- The reform of the justice system to abolish prisons and lifestyle wars, redefining justice as compensation to victims.
- Defense of property rights against all infringements.
- Abolition of all government welfare programs as lifestyle control by politicians.
I believe there has never been such a party in modern history, and the Ron Paul Revolution creates a narrow window of opportunity to assemble this international coalition, in the same fashion as the Green Party rose up out of the environmental movement.
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We have too many libertarian parties already, we do not need another.
We have the Libertarian Party, the Boston Tea Party, the Personal Choice Party, the Freedom Party, USA, etc.
We're making the same mistake the Marxists made: splitting ourselves into too many separate parties, marginalising ourselves.
What we ought to do is join our forces behind a single party, and work to make that party better. The Libertarian Reform Caucus gutted our platform in '06, but there is a proposal floating around, promoted by the Restore '04 Caucus, the Radical Caucus, and the Rothbardian Caucus, to bring back the 2004 platform.
Join us at our convention in '08 and help make the Libertarian Party better, instead of creating needless and amounts of slightly-differing parties and dilluting our vote totals. Either that, or join no party at all.
To all the libertarians who joined the Republican Party last year to support Ron Paul and with the hopes that small-government was having a revival in the Republican Party, no truer sign of the death of small government Republicanism can be seen than the nomination of John McCain. It's time to reject the big government philosophy of the Republican Party, of the party that hates the one man who had faith in it (Ron Paul), and to seek a party that will stand on principle. I encourage you to join the Libertarian Party, a party that actually cares about limiting the size, scope, and power of government, and doesn't just pay lip-service to Liberty.
allixpeeke:We have too many libertarian parties already, we do not need another.
That's true. That is why I am not proposing a libertarian party, but a coalition against political power and for justice.
Has the Libertarian Party made a commitment for gold money and against the prison system? If they do not endorse these policies, I see no reason at all to join,
Stranger:- The reform of the justice system to abolish prisons and lifestyle wars, redefining justice as compensation to victims.
Explain this one to me. Just what compensation can you provide for someone whose 12 year old daughter has been raped and beaten? Or what compensation is there to a wife whose husband has been killed in a gas station robbery? What compensation does someone have whose 9 year old was abused by their uncle? How do you compensate for those things? Are you suggesting that I can go out and rape and murder some little girl as long as I can "compenstate" the victims family?
No disrespect, but I don't get how this is fair. Please explain.
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. " -- Samuel Adams.
Consider yourselves lucky. Here in the UK, we have very, very few and I doubt your average person on the street would have heard of them. It's sad, but the US has a much older tradition of liberty so it's not particularly surprising.
kingmonkey: Explain this one to me. Just what compensation can you provide for someone whose 12 year old daughter has been raped and beaten? Or what compensation is there to a wife whose husband has been killed in a gas station robbery? What compensation does someone have whose 9 year old was abused by their uncle? How do you compensate for those things? Are you suggesting that I can go out and rape and murder some little girl as long as I can "compenstate" the victims family? No disrespect, but I don't get how this is fair. Please explain.
Here's Rothbard.
allixpeeke: We have too many libertarian parties already, we do not need another.
If more U.S. States had run-off elections of one type or another this would not matter as much. The Instant Run-Off Voting system is a concept popular with many libertarians in the United States. The more common type of run-off system in the U.S. is the kind employed by Georgia. In the case of IRV it would not matter if we had 250 libertarian candidates for the same office. Libertarians would just mark all 250 as their 250 favorite candidates. It COULD matter in a Georgia style run-off in the sense that it might prevent a libertarian candidate from getting to the run-off. But the two remaining candidates would try to court libertarians if they would have made a made the difference between winning or loosing the election.
I am an eklektarchist not an anarchist.
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Good question. Suppose we do something else - if you rape and kill my daughter, you get locked up in a building for some number of years, and make license plates for the state, and give me nothing. Am I now more or less compensated than if you had, say, paid me $12million?
There can be no full compensation for rape, murder, and so on. Is this a reason for not offering partial compensation?
Here's one method I've come up with for determining the amount of compensation - let the family of the victim choose the amount. The catch is, they can also choose death. If they ask for $1, they get $1. So, of course, you think they'll ask for an absurd amount, say $1 billion? If they do that, they get nothing, because the murderer can't pay, so he gets killed. What I'm saying is, just ask the family "how much money will you take to not kill this person?"
Roderick Long relates a hypothetical along these lines. Suppose we set the compensation at a level you think is too low - you think it allows the rich to kill for sport. Now, picture some rich guy actually doing that. He kills a poor person, then hands the family $500,000, which is the compensation level. Well, the family now has a choice. They can keep the $500,000 - or kill the son of a *** and hand the check back to his family. The point is not that this would happen, but rather that it's a pretty good incentive for the rich not to engage in murder for sport, regardless of compensation level.
Stranger:With the Libertarian Party associated with hippies and fringe lunatics, and libertarianism associated with immorally greedy, lifestyle-enabling establishment groups like Cato and Reason, the need for a new label to give the movement against political power, that is to say both the old "remnant" and the young activists that have rallied to Ron Paul's presidential campaign, is urgent.
Give me a break. There are fringe lunatics in every area - the Republicans are set to nominate one for President. If there are more around the LP than around other parties, it's because the LP happens to be right - and in a crazy world, only the crazy will notice that. I don't know what your problem with hippies is - sure there are hippies associated with the LP, and good for them. I'm glad the hippies didn't walk away from Ron Paul after noticing how many uptight suits were supporting him. Cato and Reason are more right-wing than libertarian in my mind, and are the result of having taken money with strings attached. We won't fix that by forming yet another party. What we will do is give libertarians something else to fight about, and further splinter the anti-government forces. This is an extremely bad time to do that.
Stranger: kingmonkey: Explain this one to me. Just what compensation can you provide for someone whose 12 year old daughter has been raped and beaten? Or what compensation is there to a wife whose husband has been killed in a gas station robbery? What compensation does someone have whose 9 year old was abused by their uncle? How do you compensate for those things? Are you suggesting that I can go out and rape and murder some little girl as long as I can "compenstate" the victims family? No disrespect, but I don't get how this is fair. Please explain. Here's Rothbard.
I had never thought of this concept before and really it does make a lot of sense. This is one of the things I had always struggled with concerning a truly libertarian society. See, I'm a minarchist by necessity. As much as I'd like to see the state disappear I don't see it happening, at least not in my life time, though it is the ultimate goal one needs to work towards. Right now I'm content with fighting the establishment and working on getting people to accept even the idea of a limited government. Once you can get people to accept that governments role in our lives really should be limited it's only one small step towards a true stateless libertarian society.
Thanks for the link! I'm going to have to buy that book.
JAlanKatz: Give me a break. There are fringe lunatics in every area - the Republicans are set to nominate one for President. If there are more around the LP than around other parties, it's because the LP happens to be right - and in a crazy world, only the crazy will notice that. I don't know what your problem with hippies is - sure there are hippies associated with the LP, and good for them. I'm glad the hippies didn't walk away from Ron Paul after noticing how many uptight suits were supporting him. Cato and Reason are more right-wing than libertarian in my mind, and are the result of having taken money with strings attached. We won't fix that by forming yet another party. What we will do is give libertarians something else to fight about, and further splinter the anti-government forces. This is an extremely bad time to do that.
Moreover, Sabrin suddenly has a new identity that will undoubtedly attract fresh attention and create excitement that wasn’t there the last time he ran for office. That identity appears on his campaign website, printed on a picture of a gold bar—Sabrin is a Ron Paul Republican, representing the gold standard of political honesty and integrity. What a luxury this new label is for right-wingers of all varieties! “Libertarians” are kooky and overeducated. “Constitutionalists” are probably racist theocrats. “Conservatives” are rednecks and hawkish super-patriots. No one has ever heard of a “paleoconservative,” much less a “Tory anarchist.” But call yourself Ron Paul Republican and you might get a friendly greeting from people who would hate you in any other of your political postures. You put yourself at risk to be considered hip, even. And you definitely make it clear that you have out-radicaled all those canned radicals who enthuse over dismal candidates like Barack Obama.
Moreover, Sabrin suddenly has a new identity that will undoubtedly attract fresh attention and create excitement that wasn’t there the last time he ran for office. That identity appears on his campaign website, printed on a picture of a gold bar—Sabrin is a Ron Paul Republican, representing the gold standard of political honesty and integrity.
What a luxury this new label is for right-wingers of all varieties! “Libertarians” are kooky and overeducated. “Constitutionalists” are probably racist theocrats. “Conservatives” are rednecks and hawkish super-patriots. No one has ever heard of a “paleoconservative,” much less a “Tory anarchist.” But call yourself Ron Paul Republican and you might get a friendly greeting from people who would hate you in any other of your political postures. You put yourself at risk to be considered hip, even. And you definitely make it clear that you have out-radicaled all those canned radicals who enthuse over dismal candidates like Barack Obama.
http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/the_rise_of_ron_paul_republicans/
kingmonkey: Stranger:- The reform of the justice system to abolish prisons and lifestyle wars, redefining justice as compensation to victims. Explain this one to me. Just what compensation can you provide for someone whose 12 year old daughter has been raped and beaten? Or what compensation is there to a wife whose husband has been killed in a gas station robbery? What compensation does someone have whose 9 year old was abused by their uncle? How do you compensate for those things? Are you suggesting that I can go out and rape and murder some little girl as long as I can "compenstate" the victims family? No disrespect, but I don't get how this is fair. Please explain.
Ruh roh emotional argument time? One thing you shouldn't forget is that the state adds insult to injury to the victim when they charge you(taxation) to finance the wrongdoer in order to keep him alive for a period of years. So how in any way is that justified? Plus if you were one of those types...in Anarchy you would probably be forfeiting your rights to whoever you raped and that person could have you killed. That is if they region you live in allows for that kind of justice.
Stranger: Here's Rothbard.
The true greatness of this plan is the rapist can get a job as a proffesional rapist after his crime, raping those who have raped others.
"The plans differ; the planners are all alike"
-Bastiat
One detail I think needs to be seriously explored: the abolition of a primary system. If we are to be opposed to democracy, it follows that the party's constitution cannot itself be democratic. This implies that we need a different system for fielding candidates for offices we wish to hold.
Given what we know about economics, the best way to find candidates is to let them homestead and own specific offices. The first person to run for an office, whether it is school board or president of the United States, retains the right to select the party candidate in the future. This not only encourages people to invest themselves even in losing campaigns, because they will keep the value of the publicity they generated in the future, but it also allows alternative means of fundraising by selling shares of an office. Should someone no longer want an office, he could give it to someone he deems desirable, or just plain sell it to the highest bidder, therefore establishing a market in the party.
I'm generally opposed to political partisanship at all, and to political libertarianism in general.
However - if there were a political party I'd join, I think this one could be it.
Pro Christo et Libertate integre!
MacFall:I'm generally opposed to political partisanship at all, and to political libertarianism in general.However - if there were a political party I'd join, I think this one could be it.
I've thought about this a little bit, and I think there are some advantages to be gained by using politics to achieve liberty, but I think the problems outweigh them. These reasons may not apply to everyone, depending on what their ultimate objective is. If you think I have this completely wrong, please correct me!
The advantages, as I see them, are:
But the disadvantages:
For me, the huge financial costs associated with providing a pro-freedom politician with even a small chance of gaining power, and the uncertain outcome in the event that the campaign is successful, is good evidence that we would be better off throwing our weight behind non-partisan intellectual endeavours. In many countries the game is rigged against small parties and new candidates at the start, so the whole thing is very difficult and expensive. How much simpler to write a speech, pamphlet, blog post or scholarly article!
I've been a member of a political party myself, and convinced a few of its members of my ideas, but I found that it was only a disadvantage when speaking generally. You are asked to defend the actions and reputation of your party members, which you may or not be interested in doing, but which is almost certainly going to distract from a debate about liberty. If you defend your party, you are written off as a partisan, but if you refuse to defend them, you look hopelessly inconsistent.
It's not that hard to speak up for freedom from outside the political system, and I think most curious people are more interested in what you have to say when you do. Rather than trying to force through an agenda while most people oppose us absolutely, and rather than playing the dirty game of party politics, I prefer a modest goal of challenging the mainstream consensus with ideas in whatever way I can as an individual, and seeing how many people I convince. If enough people were in agreement with us, the political parties would be forced to change anyway.
http://irishliberty.wordpress.com/