With all due respect, this is quite a long rant, but these are my frustrations with living in a Capitalistic society. Oh, and I have been on here for a little more then a year now, so I know pretty well of the ideas that is passed around Mises readings.
Now, I understand that CEO's are responsible for a company's profits, and that the entrepreneur is someone who sacrifices a stable job lifestyle for risking his personal savings. However, while this is true with small business', I have no problem with CEO's of small business. Though, if someone needs to find a job, they have no choice but to employ themselves at a crappy job where they will be exploited. My definition of exploited meaning no pay for overtime, keeping you overtime, no vacation, and taking money off of your paycheck for breaks. You can't control when an employer decides to keep you overtime to get more work done, but its ****ing bullshit when you have school and a life to maintain as well. People at low-income jobs barely make enough to even be worth all this stress, where someone with a BA in even Communication gets to work for an above average salary and sit in the comfort of his cubicle on a computer. Jobs shouldn't be a privilege, and if someone has to work for low income, they shouldn't be slaving a lot more then someone with an education earning a median-above average salary. This is exploitation. You know, the only reason someone working at McDonalds is getting ****ed in the ass is because CEO's don't want to cut their erroneous salary so that they can continue golfing on their private island, while hiring less people so that they themselves, who don't even do much with the Corporation they are the head of, can get higher salaries.
Do I think the honest ones, i.e. small businessmen, do so? No. In fact those types of CEO's live it like its a lifestyle, not just a job, they DO work their asses off.
Novus Zarathustra:Because I was never able to live my life the way I wanted do, I end up at the age of 40, with kids and having to spend his entire life working at a place Wal-Mart or Target if I get lucky enough to even get the job there and be paid decently. ALl the money I'm earning will go toward paying for my bills and feeding my kids because I was never able to go to school, never able to try to make it as an artist since I couldn't afford my tools so I could be making a better salary. Instead I work my ass of, am miserable, and will never be an artist. gg.
Only in a rich, formerly free country could one, in the midst of a horrific depression, think that working in a large store, earning just enough to pay bills and feed kids, is a bad thing. Try explaining to a resident of Tanzania that you are upset that you will stand in a building full of things and earn enough to eat for pressing buttons on a computer.
The Tanzanian works harder than you do, much harder. He spends all day carrying heavy things, and he just watched two of his children starve. So he won't stand for your whining. If you want to be consistent, at least complain on his behalf, not your own.
But it's not about work, it's about what you produce. You might think it is harder to press buttons than to do what a CEO does. But anyone can do your job, and you produce very little. You're only necessary at all because we have division of labor and such massive production that we can have stores. The CEO is an organizer. Without him, your labor would produce even less, because you would not have in front of you a computer to press buttons on. What you're doing is only valuable because of a huge supply chain and the related actions of thousands of people - and the people who bring it all together.
The Tanzanian doesn't have this kind of organization. He has no capital structure, and so has to produce directly from the earth. That is hard.
Now, I agree with a lot of your points, believe it or not. I would like to see more equity, I'd be happy with a lower standard of living with less organization, smaller organizations - and in addition, I think, with Kevin Carson, that in a free society organizations would be smaller with higher production anyway, so its a moot point. But those are my preferences, and I have no right to inflict them on you - to decide for you that production should be smaller and lower so that I can have more free time, or shop at smaller stores, or whatever. I have to find a like-minded group of people and build what I want. If you want a commune, build one. That's a task as hard as what a CEO does, for less pay - but it's building the world you'd like. Just don't demand that people who don't want what you want build it for you.
Oh, and my polisci professor always argued against me that the income tax pays for services that help people, and it wouldn't be enough money otherwise. So if don't want to pay taxes, then we don't care about helping people, but whatever.
A pity it's nonsense, and shallow propaganda at that.
Freedom of markets is positively correlated with the degree of evolution in any society...
To be honest, all I'm getting out of your posts is that you desire to use violence in order to obtain a better standard of living for yourself.
and off to revleft you go!
But I can't blame him for preferring fake socialism to fascism
You guys should check out this thread of an AnCap invading RevLeft
http://www.revleft.com/vb/anarcho-communism-illogical-t130796/index.html?s=b8ed8943fa4c6a03e6ce46fcdb5064c6&
Novus Zarathustra: You guys should check out this thread of an AnCap invading RevLeft http://www.revleft.com/vb/anarcho-communism-illogical-t130796/index.html?s=b8ed8943fa4c6a03e6ce46fcdb5064c6&
What about it? And why do you say "invading"? You haven't succumbed to RevLeft's nonsense, have you?
To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process. Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!" Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."
Smiling Dave: In a free market, where anyone can compete non violently for anything[...]
Isn't competing "non violently" a pipe dream? It's like for Socialism to work people have to be selfless and have a lack of ambition. Both disregard basic human characteristics… aggression is a part of who we are.
Yeah?
Valject:Now, even ignoring that people like Ludwig von Mises pointed out quite well exactly what would happen if we evolved into a non-self-interest species, how does this help whatever backing you are trying to give socialism?
Do you have a link to what Mises pointed out? I'd like to check it.
Thanks
Daniel Muffinburg: Novus Zarathustra: You guys should check out this thread of an AnCap invading RevLeft http://www.revleft.com/vb/anarcho-communism-illogical-t130796/index.html?s=b8ed8943fa4c6a03e6ce46fcdb5064c6& What about it? And why do you say "invading"? You haven't succumbed to RevLeft's nonsense, have you?
I'm saying we should go there, make accounts, and see if we can make a mark on RevLeft. They discussing Anarcho-Capitalism a lot recently, this is our chance to win them over. Perhaps, even hurt the ideology of socialism big time..
Novus Zarathustra: I'm saying we should go there, make accounts, and see if we can make a mark on RevLeft. They discussing Anarcho-Capitalism a lot recently, this is our chance to win them over. Perhaps, even hurt the ideology of socialism big time..
Why should anyone bother trying to win socialists over? The allure of getting something for nothing is just too great for the majority of people to reject.
"The market is a process." - Ludwig von Mises, as related by Israel Kirzner. "Capital formation is a beautiful thing" - Chloe732.
yoshimura: Valject:Now, even ignoring that people like Ludwig von Mises pointed out quite well exactly what would happen if we evolved into a non-self-interest species, how does this help whatever backing you are trying to give socialism? Do you have a link to what Mises pointed out? I'd like to check it. Thanks
It's somewhere in the first hundred, or two hundred pages of Human Action. He spends a while talking about how the human race would have to evolve into automatons with no self-interest for the evenly rotating economy to work.
yoshimura: Smiling Dave: In a free market, where anyone can compete non violently for anything[...] Isn't competing "non violently" a pipe dream? It's like for Socialism to work people have to be selfless and have a lack of ambition. Both disregard basic human characteristics… aggression is a part of who we are. Yeah?
Nope. Anyone who competes violently is, by defintion, outside of the market.
That statement is not saying, "there will be no crime."
Peace
Novus Zarathustra:I'm saying we should go there, make accounts, and see if we can make a mark on RevLeft. They discussing Anarcho-Capitalism a lot recently, this is our chance to win them over. Perhaps, even hurt the ideology of socialism big time..
This is so confusing, I had to create an account here just to figure it out. You yourself are a socialist, that's the whole point of this thread. Why would you want to try to "win over" a bunch of socialists (presumably by convincing them that Anarcho-capitalism is superior), when you are largely in agreement with them?
chrispy: Novus Zarathustra:I'm saying we should go there, make accounts, and see if we can make a mark on RevLeft. They discussing Anarcho-Capitalism a lot recently, this is our chance to win them over. Perhaps, even hurt the ideology of socialism big time.. This is so confusing, I had to create an account here just to figure it out. You yourself are a socialist, that's the whole point of this thread. Why would you want to try to "win over" a bunch of socialists (presumably by convincing them that Anarcho-capitalism is superior), when you are largely in agreement with them?
I'm not a socialist. I never declared being one. I can empathize with the ideas of Socialism and Anarcho Capitalism. The issue with Capitalism I have are the injustices and scarcity of things like jobs and the environment.
Novus Zarathustra: chrispy: Novus Zarathustra:I'm saying we should go there, make accounts, and see if we can make a mark on RevLeft. They discussing Anarcho-Capitalism a lot recently, this is our chance to win them over. Perhaps, even hurt the ideology of socialism big time.. This is so confusing, I had to create an account here just to figure it out. You yourself are a socialist, that's the whole point of this thread. Why would you want to try to "win over" a bunch of socialists (presumably by convincing them that Anarcho-capitalism is superior), when you are largely in agreement with them? I'm not a socialist. I never declared being one. I can empathize with the ideas of Socialism and Anarcho Capitalism. The issue with Capitalism I have are the injustices and scarcity of things like jobs and the environment.
Please explain to me in an objective, non-subjective manner how one person owning more stuff than another person is unjust.