I used to collect comic books, though in the past 6/7 years I have essentially lost complete interest in the entire medium, with the excepetion of a couple well made movies and some DC animation stuff.
It is my unfortunate love for the DC animated serials and the new DVD animated movie releases that has caused a major love/hate relationship with the product . It goes almost out of its way to promote the Democratic Party line and denounce capitalism (and the Republican Party line, for what it's worth) whenever it can.
Does Marvel have this problem? If I recall DC was always a little "pink" since the 80's where as Marvel seemed to be generic (actually 60's Marvel, particularly Iron Man, was blatantly pro-capitalism). Is there a reason for this? Was it the British writers that pinked up DC more than Marvel?
P.S. The Question from the DCAU is possibly the greatest comic book hero to hit animation.
In the Batman movies, the cops are never shown in good light. The cops are always late and incompetent or corrupt.
To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process. Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!" Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."
That's not really a sign of being "pro right"
Daniel Muffinburg: The cops are always late and incompetent or corrupt.
The cops are always late and incompetent or corrupt.
The cops are also bound by rules whereas Batman is not.
on a side note, is superman left wing?
bloomj31: on a side note, is superman left wing?
It really depends on who is writing him. He has some awesome story lines though, I usually get a little irked when some one uses Superman as a "goodie two shoe" foil (which is usually a "right wing" stance) so a "badass" hero (usually showing a leftish stance) can show how boring/wrong he is. It is a fairly common tactic, though (fortunately) not too prevalent in the DC animated universe.
Dondoolee: Does Marvel have this problem?
Does Marvel have this problem?
On that note I'm not sure, but Steve Ditko the original artist and co-creator of Spiderman is a big fan Ayn Rand, and I think is a libertarian, though I'm not sure how significant this has been on his work.
"When the King is far the people are happy." Chinese proverb
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"Where there are problems there is life."
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"For the same reason, the left has always hated Batman, the aristocrat of inherited wealth whose powers are not granted but built by private innovation."
bloomj31: JonBostwick: http://mises.org/daily/2583 "For the same reason, the left has always hated Batman, the aristocrat of inherited wealth whose powers are not granted but built by private innovation."
But wasn't his daddy the Warren Buffet Leftist type who said it's his moral obligation to give away his wealth? (At least that's what I remember from the movie.)
BTW, I don't know anything about comics nor have I seen the movie, but how is Iron Man pro-capitalist?
I dunno, his father built Wayne Enterprises and Bruce is a billionaire so he couldn't have wanted to give it all away. Either way, private charity is supposed to be a good thing.
Not to mention, Bruce Wayne got all the babes.
From wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man
Iron man is about a capitalist, though I wouldn't call it pro capitalist.
Iron Man's premiere was a collaboration among editor and story-plotter Stan Lee, scripter Larry Lieber, story-artist Don Heck, and cover-artist and character-designer Jack Kirby. In 1963, Lee had been toying with the idea of a businessman superhero.[2] He wanted to create the "quintessential capitalist", a character that would go against the spirit of the times and Marvel's readership.[3] Lee said, "I think I gave myself a dare. It was the height of the Cold War. The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing they hated, it was war, it was the military ... So I got a hero who represented that to the hundredth degree. He was a weapons manufacturer, he was providing weapons for the Army, he was rich, he was an industrialist ... I thought it would be fun to take the kind of character that nobody would like, none of our readers would like, and shove him down their throats and make them like him ... And he became very popular."[4] He set out to make the new character a wealthy, glamorous ladies' man, but one with a secret that would plague and torment him as well.[5] Writer Gerry Conway said, "Here you have this character, who on the outside is invulnerable, I mean, just can't be touched, but inside is a wounded figure. Stan made it very much an in-your-face wound, you know, his heart was broken, you know, literally broken. But there's a metaphor going on there. And that's, I think, what made that character interesting".[4] Lee based this playboy's looks and personality on Howard Hughes,[6] explaining, "Howard Hughes was one of the most colorful men of our time. He was an inventor, an adventurer, a multi-billionaire, a ladies' man and finally a nutcase".[7] "Without being crazy, he was Howard Hughes," Lee said.[4]
von Vodka:BTW, I don't know anything about comics nor have I seen the movie, but how is Iron Man pro-capitalist?
Its about a capitalist, though I wouldn't say it is pro-capitalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man#Publication_history
von Vodka:But wasn't his daddy the Warren Buffet Leftist type who said it's his moral obligation to give away his wealth? (At least that's what I remember from the movie.)
In the movie, but thats not really core to Batman.
JonBostwick: von Vodka:But wasn't his daddy the Warren Buffet Leftist type who said it's his moral obligation to give away his wealth? (At least that's what I remember from the movie.) In the movie, but thats not really core to Batman.
He is just a doctor. He leave the running of Wayne corporation to more interested, competent men.
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abskebabs: On that note I'm not sure, but Steve Ditko the original artist and co-creator of Spiderman is a big fan Ayn Rand, and I think is a libertarian, though I'm not sure how significant this has been on his work.
Actually, his Objectivist view point affected a lot of his later works. It started to have an impact on his later Spiderman work (as he started to script it).
His Blue Beetle and Question work (especially the Question) at Charlton had Objectivist overtures.
His Creeper and Hawk & Dove work at DC also has it, as his later Shade series at DC.
His independent work really shows his Objectivist views: Mr. A, Avenging World, Static, Mocker, etc., including the new stuff he is still doing.