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If an AnCap society was achieved, what would happen to the marxists/socialists?

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Novus Zarathustra Posted: Fri, Apr 9 2010 6:03 PM

Would they continue to try and overthrow all private property and then share it equally? There is less that they can do since there wont be laws protecting unions and minimum wage laws.


What would happen? Would they try to continue their crusade and defy Capitalism?

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Hung and quartered.

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Novus Zarathustra:

Would they continue to try and overthrow all private property and then share it equally? There is less that they can do since there wont be laws protecting unions and minimum wage laws.


What would happen? Would they try to continue their crusade and defy Capitalism?

What does it mean for an "AnCap society [to be] achieved?

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Merlin replied on Sat, Apr 10 2010 10:55 AM

Novus Zarathustra:

Would they continue to try and overthrow all private property and then share it equally? There is less that they can do since there wont be laws protecting unions and minimum wage laws.


What would happen? Would they try to continue their crusade and defy Capitalism?

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They’d fill TV shows and newspapers speaking of the “hollowness” of our material beigns and all such cr*p. A generation after the state-crash speaking in favor of laws do to this or that would be foolish. No  one could even envision laws.

 

 

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C replied on Sat, Apr 10 2010 11:07 AM

I would even imagine socialist trying to set up governmental-type institutions by trying to get the gullible underclass to buy into their "free money" or "shared prosperity" schemes.  

Ultimately I would expect the firms commissioned by everyone else to defend private property to round up the socialist that try this as criminals.  

  At least he wasn't a Keynesian!

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Manestor replied on Sat, Apr 10 2010 11:12 AM

I believe they would just die out of starvation without state subsidies. That would be the end of it.

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Joe replied on Sat, Apr 10 2010 11:18 AM

my guess is that they would try and form some type of commune. Maybe something similar to those 19th century 'utopian' communities.

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Marko replied on Sat, Apr 10 2010 11:22 AM

They would become environmentalists and anti-materialist as their conventional arguments against capitalism would be exposed as silly.

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Nielsio replied on Sat, Apr 10 2010 12:32 PM

They would smoke weed 2.0 and realize all was good.

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Spideynw replied on Sat, Apr 10 2010 12:41 PM

Novus Zarathustra:

Would they continue to try and overthrow all private property and then share it equally? There is less that they can do since there wont be laws protecting unions and minimum wage laws.


What would happen? Would they try to continue their crusade and defy Capitalism?

The same thing that happened to the idea of owning slaves.  The ideas would die off.  Once people recognize that taxation is extortion, then it won't come back.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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JAlanKatz replied on Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:17 PM

Chris Pacia:
Ultimately I would expect the firms commissioned by everyone else to defend private property to round up the socialist that try this as criminals.  

Well, then why don't we have an-cap now?  Why didn't this kind of thing happen last time?

 

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JAlanKatz replied on Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:20 PM

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Would they continue to try and overthrow all private property and then share it equally? There is less that they can do since there wont be laws protecting unions and minimum wage laws.

Um, most Marxists oppose (at least the full-scale ones) these things as band-aids on the capitalist system.  I'd imagine that in an an-cap world, Marxists would try to live according to their beliefs.  If there were enough of them, it might work, to a certain standard of living.  If there were enough of them that I thought it would work, and they seemed to be honest Marxists, maybe I'd join them - I'm personally willing to give up some standard of living in exchange for lifestyle, but I'm not willing to do it in your behalf.

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I think they'd die out for the most part, except for small, voluntary communes; these wouldn't be hostile, at all, and would merely use persuasion to get you to join them, and not force.

 

I think it'd be very difficult for them to make any good arguments once we hit the ancap state (though personally I don't think we'll ever hit this), as it'd be self-evident by that point that it was deregulation and the lack of government that made society prosperous and peaceful and not the State.

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Novus Zarathustra:
What would happen? Would they try to continue their crusade and defy Capitalism?

I honestly think that Marxism will fail to develop intellectually but it will remain none the less. 

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garegin replied on Sun, Apr 11 2010 2:39 PM

marxism is a school of thought. their intellectual members still live bourgeois lives and do not wish to part with modern amenities to live in communes. i think you have anarchist socialists in your mind.

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