I was wondering about secession of states or possibly large enough communities of people today who want to leave the government. I am interested to know why this does not take place. People are quite angry with the United States government but we see no secession. Why is that? I think the real reason is that secession is not posssible or at least really really really hard to pull off. It is made so difficult or impossible so that federal government can maintain its power. Secession is only a concept that exists in people's head so that they think they have a choice to seccede. It is just like leaving the country. Sure, it is possible to leave the country. But you need permission to leave the country and fill our more papers and pay more fees. So leaving the country is an option but it is not very fair. Leaving the country is just an illusion people have, that they can decide to leave if they do not like it, in reality it is more complicated than it really is. The same with secession today. Do you agree?
The only thing stopping Succession is fear. That is fear of the Federal Government. The last time a group of states tried it, the US Federal Government killed 600,000 of its own citizens, injured 1.5 million citizens and destroyed large amounts of the economic capacity of the Southern United States.
That having been said, this time is different. The Federal Government has engaged itself in 5 active wars by my count ( Afghanistan-Pakistan, Iraq, Mexico, Somalia and Columbia) and is trying to start at least one in Iran. If the US Government goes to war in Iran then it is finished. With the current plate of wars it is killing itself through inflation. At some point the residents of states near the borders will just come to conclusion that the "benefits" coming from Washington are less than the price in money and lives and seriously consider withdrawing. The most likely candidates are New Hampshire and Montana, but with the influx of younger documented and undocumented people into the Southern USA you might see something there first as these folks tire of paying for older people in the Central USA. Would it not be great if Texas reformed the Republic of Texas? Or the current invasion of the USA by Mexico achieved the withdraw of the California Territory out of the USA?
You think it can't happen but no country in the history of world has had this much debt.
Mexico, Somalia and Columbia
Are you referring to the war on drugs as far as Mexico and Columbia goes? And what war in Somalia? Sorry if this sounds ignorant. I'm just trying to learn. I don't hear about so many of these things and I have no idea why.
Never it my life did I think I could be scared of debt. But this has really done it. So we're $13 trillion in debt. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has cost $1 trillion. Does that mean Obama created $12 trillion in debt, or what? I might be confused on my numbers.
Bogart:The most likely candidates are New Hampshire and Montana
I hope that New Hamsphire secedes from the union. I have a lot of respect for New Hamsphire and its Free State project. I hope, even more, for the rest of the world to take up the fight for liberty, but sadly it seems that this is still only an American virtue :( . Am I wrong about this? But Europe (with exception of Switzerland) seems to be a bit too statist - still better than the US because US is overly too militaristic.
Secession is not possible due to party discipline. A state governor is a Democrat/Republican first, governor second.
The current wars with Mexico and Columbia are certainly part of the "War on Drugs" but not solely related to it. The FARC in Columbia is a psuedo-Marxist group whose income is entirely from the WOD but is also against the current government. Mexico being closer, wealthier and more corrupt is the hotter of the two with the killings south of the border and the ramping up of the Military-Police-Intelligence state against US Citizens north of the border. I find it ironic that the other significant source of undocumented workers is from China. So the USA can build its silly fences and punish their own citizens but they can not stop the invasions from Mexico, China and Central America.
As for Somalie, the USA and its pawns in the UN have been trying to provide Somalia with the Goodness of Central Government. See the psuedo-Marxists of the past left the country as most Marxists do, in a shambles, and the outgrowth has been an anarchy based upon family/tribal associations. Of course the Most Powerful and Wealthy Government to ever exist sees this as a huge threat and has paid for invasions into the country, attacked it with Drones and invaded.