duh...obviously they are getting paid interest on that debt, right?
it hinges on whether you think the value of the dollar will plummet (further)
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Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
Peter Schiff, president of brokerage Euro Pacific Capital, addressed China’s ownership of U.S. debt April 23, 2010: While I attended an economic conference last week in Shanghai, I found it notable - but not surprising - that two former Secretaries of the Treasury, John Snow and Hank Paulson, as well as current Treasury Secretary Tim Geither, and former President George W. Bush were then in the country at the same time. The fact that so many key American power brokers (myself not included) were in China simultaneously is no coincidence. In an overly indebted world, the $2.5 trillion that China holds in foreign reserves is acting as a center of economic gravity, inexorably pulling all market participants into its orbit. When a 10-ton elephant plods through a village of grass huts, the big question on everyone's mind is: which way is he going to turn next? With China, that fundamental question translates to guessing when Beijing will make changes to the value of the yuan. These decisions will determine the overall direction of the global economy, and will set the path that everyone must follow. Unfortunately, no Americans, even those who travel hat-in-hand to China, have a seat at the table where these decisions are being made. At the risk of beating a dead horse, let me reiterate my central thesis with respect to currency valuation: just as it is always better to be rich than to be poor, it is always better to have a strong currency than a weak one. Although this simple maxim puts me into conflict with much of the economic establishment, I hold its truth to be...well...self-evident. The effect of current Chinese currency policy (which, despite Beijing's protests to the contrary, is manipulation pure and simple) is to make the U.S. dollar more valuable and the yuan less valuable. As a result, the benefits of manipulation accrue to Americans, not the Chinese. We get pay raises; they get pay cuts. Americans use their stronger dollars to buy products they would otherwise not have been able to afford. On the flip side, the Chinese people do without products that they otherwise would have been able to afford had their government not transferred their purchasing power to us. The same effect is experienced with interest rates. In order to manipulate the dollar's value higher, the Chinese government has gobbled up more than $1 trillion of them.The Chinese then loan the dollars back to the U.S. through purchases of government and mortgage-backed debt, which reduces the cost of servicing our massive liabilities. By the same token, if China were to stop manipulating the dollar higher, it would remove the props currently supporting our dysfunctional economy. American interest rates and consumer prices would soar, and our economy would collapse. Meanwhile, China would experience the opposite effect. Chinese consumer prices would fall, immediately raising living standards for average Chinese workers, whose higher real wages would finally allow them to fully enjoy the fruits of their labor. What strikes me as particularly dangerous is that no one, not even the Chinese, appear to understand these fundamental dynamics. All of the Shanghainese with whom I spoke last week were unaware that a stronger yuan would be in their own best interest. The way most people see it, a stronger currency is a bullet that China must be prepared to take in order to save the rest of the world from further pain. And so we watch the strange spectacle of China stubbornly resisting actions from which it will immediately and substantially benefit. In reality, an appreciating yuan is the bitter medicine Americans must swallow if our sick economy is every to regain its health. When Beijing finally comes to it senses, the transition will be unavoidably disruptive. For China, the long-term growth would far outweigh the short-term shock. America, however, would face a much less certain outcome. There is no question that, for Americans, the immediate effects would be very painful, with the gains only developing with time and prudent decision-making. Still, that does not mean we should resist the process, for the longer it is delayed, the more severe the pain and the longer the road back to prosperity. Given this reality, why are our political leaders so adamant that China effectively pull the rug out from under our economy? Are they really that clueless? Perhaps they are - or perhaps they are a bit more devious. Perhaps they are using reverse psychology. Maybe they feel that the best way to get the Chinese to maintain the peg is to demand that they remove it. Historically, the Chinese have always resisted outside interference. However, to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, you cannot fool all of the Chinese all of the time. Soon they will see the light, and when they do, it's lights out for American hegemony. If you think China is important today, just wait a few years. For example, while the Chinese automobile market is now the largest in the world, 90% of Chinese car buyers pay cash. In contrast, only 15% of American car buyers do so. In other words, Chinese consumers can actually afford their cars, while most Americans cannot. Without huge car payments, Chinese consumers are in much better shape not only to trade up to newer cars in the future, but to purchase other products as well. This suggests huge future growth, not only in automobiles but also in other consumer products as well. This eruption of consumer demand, made possible by pent-up savings, is creating historic opportunities for investors. When the Chinese start using their wealth to expand their own economy rather than to subsidize ours, infrastructure may well be a primary beneficiary. Whenever the Chinese government decides to end the peg, the Chinese economy will benefit as a result. While as citizens we can hope that U.S. leaders respond with the right policies to enable our economy to regain its former glory, as investors we should position ourselves to benefit from the more certain outcome.
The Chinese government has to continuously buy U.S. debt in order to peg their currency to the dollar and to devaluate it. This helps Chinese firms, but, at the same time, it reduces the purchasing power of the average citizen, keeping them trapped in poverty. Essentially, it helps some parties and it severely hurts others. But the interest on U.S. debt is tiny relative to other assets and investments; this is why they buy American equities, real-estate, engage in FDI, ect.
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It's a gamble on whether there will be a revolution or not. If there is, they ain't seeing a penny. Nor should they.
"it hinges on whether you think the value of the dollar will plummet (further)"
unless hyperinflation comes about....its a good investment...they are making interest money off the US tax payer....pretty good interest....
sounds good to me...
"It's a gamble on whether there will be a revolution or not. If there is, they ain't seeing a penny. Nor should they."
that's quite the safe game.....
China has never made a penny on the interest. They extend loan faster than they take in payments.
"that's quite the safe game....."
That's what King George III and Louis XVI said.
"China has never made a penny on the interest. They extend loan faster than they take in payments."
are you being serious? where is the evidence for that? that's exactly what I'm looking for....
I can hardly think of a worse investment than US bonds. China has no economic gains purposes in mind. What they want s to leverage the US into doing whatever they want, by threatening to bankrupt it should they displease Beijing. Man, if Taiwan isn’t supplied some nukes fast, it’ll be a goner and the doctrine of regional independence will take a big, big hit.
"I can hardly think of a worse investment than US bonds."
you're making interest on those bonds..paid for by the US taxpayer...guranteed.......how's that a bad investment....
Limitgov, I'm issuing paper today, it's for sale for 1 ounce of gold per piece. I will pay interest on them, but I also claim the right to print as much paper as I want. Don't worry though, I am a nice guy and the paper is backed by my family.
limitgov: you're making interest on those bonds..paid for by the US taxpayer...guranteed.......how's that a bad investment....
Interest? What is it, 4% annually? I have this strong impression that what you actually get in the end is far less, in real terms, than what you put in. If the Chinese Central Bank just put its money under the mattress, that would be a better investment.
Governments are not constrained by profitability. And since governments have a large capital stock (the capital captive within their borders) which they can plunder at any time, if needed, they are generally uninterested in building large capital holdings.
It is generally put out by economists that (controlled) inflation can "stimulate" exports but it doesn't really stimulate exports. Importers from other countries choose to buy from a country with a devaluating currency because the goods are cheaper as denominated in their home country's currency (which is presumably devaluing less rapidly). What is really occurring is that the devaluating country is subsidizing its exporters on the backs of its citizens. This, in turn, acts as a subsidy of foreign consumption. In other words, when country A devalues its currency, it is essentially transferring wealth from its citizens to the citizens of every other country with which country A does business.
I doubt the Chinese government misunderstands this. This suggests there's more to yuan devaluation than meets the eye. Part of it has to do with using financial means to implement central planning (inflationary revenues go to military-industrial projects instead of consumer goods). I still have yet to comprehend the Chinese government's other motives.