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Can Democracy Exist Without Capitalism

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A citizen is someone who swears an oath of allegiance in return for a duty of protection.  There is no duty to protect, the state has ZERO duty to you or anyone else (sovereign immunity), according to their own legal rulings.  This means all of the taxes and loyalty offered to the state in return for "citizenship" is a delusion.

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bbnet replied on Wed, Apr 20 2011 1:11 AM

Ron Marquis wrote:

...The only job a government ever offered me was to demonstrate to a military contractor the firing mechanism I designed for the fully-automatic 12 ga shotgun they took away from me when I was nineteen. It was an offer I couldn't refuse, hence I avoided prosecution.

You could of made them a counter-offer that they couldn't refuse?

Meet my friend Ben Dover, mr. citizen ...

 

PS - I am the head of my state!

 

 

 

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And we are not sent here by the politicians you drink with - L. Dube, rip

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Oh please don't apologize on my my account. I had no idea my ignorance could spark such furvor. lol I'm afraid you've jumped into the game where someone's already pulled down the goal posts and the ball carriers are running in vain> lol

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Valject replied on Wed, Apr 20 2011 1:16 AM

"Oh please don't apologize on my my account. I had no idea my ignorance could spark such furvor. lol I'm afraid you've jumped into the game where someone's already pulled down the goal posts and the ball carriers are running in vain> lol"

Creating an analogy doesn't make it relevant.  For instance, there could be an analogy to an obsessive, perfectionist artist left in charge of a scoreboard.  He spends ours on each number, after every score, but the whole time the game is running he is never able to make a point.  See?  Totally irrelevant.  You know...in my opinion.

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Please do not apologize on my account. I had no idea what frenzy my ignorance would spark. I'm afraid you've taken a seat at a game where the goal posts are prematurely torn from the field and the ball carriers run in vain. lol

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Valject replied on Wed, Apr 20 2011 1:22 AM

"Please do not apologize on my account. I had no idea what frenzy my ignorance would spark. I'm afraid you've taken a seat at a game where the goal posts are prematurely torn from the field and the ball carriers run in vain. lol"

 

What?  Down to auto-response already?  How about the analogy about the guy making assertions that, when questioned, his brain processes come to a screeching halt because he cannot fathom that  someone has a differing view, or indeed that there COULD BE another view.  Yes, the man who believed anyting outside his own scope HAD to be psychotic.

Okay, maybe that's not exactly an analogy...but what can you do?

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I'm still partial to the  old wooden stock and metal parts models. I don't always need to change clips just to knock someone's block off. But thanks for the glimpse of what I hope is part of your personal collection.

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So while your working that out......let me comment, like they want me to stop lol....I'm amazed this "thread" has survived to a second page.

There must be something gained from visiting by so many, again and again.  Perhaps  it's been determined that if for nothing else I am at least, a good exercise in futility.

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Democracy is destined to fail because people will always vote for socialism or free stuff. So in some ways democracy which is meant to be the beacon of a free society is actually the complete opposite. If two politicians stand up and the one says that i will give you, free house, free healthcare, free education for your children and even free money when you lose your job and the other stands up and says you have to work hard in this world to get a house and all things you desire. The socialist will get the vote and this is why democracy is destined to fail because the governments could never take enough taxation from the population to fund the promises that they have made to gain power. So when you are voting for a socialist government you are voting for a bigger government and in effect less freedom, because the larger the government gets the less freedom you have.

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Brutus replied on Wed, Apr 20 2011 10:43 PM

liberty student:

A citizen is someone who swears an oath of allegiance in return for a duty of protection.  There is no duty to protect, the state has ZERO duty to you or anyone else (sovereign immunity), according to their own legal rulings.  This means all of the taxes and loyalty offered to the state in return for "citizenship" is a delusion.

One might assert that by beginning your sentence, "A citizens is..." that you are committing an ontological fallacy since you have repeatedly claim that citizens don't exist. What is this citizen of which you speak?

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One might assert that.  Probably someone who thinks he is a citizen of something.

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I would have to say "a fairy is" in order to dispute its' existence as well.

In States a fresh law is looked upon as a remedy for evil. Instead of themselves altering what is bad, people begin by demanding a law to alter it. ... In short, a law everywhere and for everything!

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