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Juan Posted: Sun, May 18 2008 9:10 PM










February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church.
Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."

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Those are awesome.  Thanks for posting them.

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Ego replied on Sun, May 18 2008 9:32 PM

Epic!

Edit: The second poster is telling; it admits that individuals would rather pay more than the price ceiling than go without a good or service.

Don't allow leftists to play games with definitions! Some of the libertarian-leaning leftists at this forum will try to redefine "left-wing" back to its original defition (Third Estate, limited government, free-markets, laissez-faire reforms, etc.). Fine! We non-leftists can't stop them from using their own personal definitions; they can use whatever labels they want to describe any concept they want.

However, they have the audacity to then use their personal definition of "left-wing" (remember, the original definition, which is no longer valid) to prove that modern leftists are more libertarian than modern rightists! They will say that libertarianism is "inherently leftist" (again, using the original, no longer valid definition), and use that to insist that we should prefer and side with modern leftists over modern rightists.

Question their motives.

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Juan replied on Sun, May 18 2008 9:33 PM
More can be found here

http://digital.lib.umn.edu/warposters/warpost.html

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This is exactly the sort of propaganda we should seek to produce.  Simple cartoons that are easy to photocopy and hand out as flyers, and can fit nicely on a T-Shirt.  :)

 

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The 'Rationing is a "must" until supply equals demand' poster is odd. By demand it seems to mean desire to buy, rather than ability to buy. A rather horrible abuse of the term. And also seems to advocate two distinct concepts: the wording advocates price controls until scarcity is removed and the drawings advocate price controls until some fantasy situation where everyone has an equal amount of everything. I love rational propaganda...

I agree with liberty student; someone should make/design these kinds of posters for free market purposes (assuming they are more rational). Any good ideas on content?
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Libertas est Veritas:
The 'Rationing is a "must" until supply equals demand' poster is odd. By demand it seems to mean desire to buy, rather than ability to buy. A rather horrible abuse of the term. And also seems to advocate two distinct concepts: the wording advocates price controls until scarcity is removed and the drawings advocate price controls until some fantasy situation where everyone has an equal amount of everything. I love rational propaganda...

I agree with liberty student; someone should make/design these kinds of posters for free market purposes (assuming they are more rational). Any good ideas on content?


I will see if I can make any crude drawings... if they don't pass my own critcism, I will just post the phrases here.

 

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Nitroadict:
I will see if I can make any crude drawings... if they don't pass my own critcism, I will just post the phrases here.


I can also try to make posters, but I have no ideas on the content. It would have to be sufficiently provocative to make people think. I was thinking they should be templates, where one can fill in the words in their own language.
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Okay, here's something I threw together real fast... I'm not terribly sure about it though.



I was originally going to put "A Free Solution Awaits..." or "Free Agora Awaits...", but didn't feel like the earlier was pertinent enough, while the later being too vauge.

Also, I realize the "equation" is very simplified, and could be easily intereptted as more of a radical leftist ad, but I figured it would appeal to those very leftists who may not be familiar with agora or the actual definition of free market. 

I was also considering putting the link in the poster for the wikipedia entry for free market, but thought it would be too long.  I was also considering "Google: Agorism", or something shorter, etc. 

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Haha! Hilarious posters... nice post

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liberty student:

This is exactly the sort of propaganda we should seek to produce.  Simple cartoons that are easy to photocopy and hand out as flyers, and can fit nicely on a T-Shirt.  :)

Bureaucrash.org has some good stuff along these lines. Also I'm sure most people here are familiar with FEE's "Philosophy of Liberty" animation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

Not quite t-shirt material, but simple and clear for the masses.

 

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MacFall replied on Mon, May 19 2008 8:31 PM

If Agorism were so impotent as its detractors claim it is... why does the government fear a black market so much? This propaganda is telling. Counter-economics slices the soft underbelly of the state.

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Ego replied on Mon, May 19 2008 8:54 PM

Why don't they have those posters today?

Don't allow leftists to play games with definitions! Some of the libertarian-leaning leftists at this forum will try to redefine "left-wing" back to its original defition (Third Estate, limited government, free-markets, laissez-faire reforms, etc.). Fine! We non-leftists can't stop them from using their own personal definitions; they can use whatever labels they want to describe any concept they want.

However, they have the audacity to then use their personal definition of "left-wing" (remember, the original definition, which is no longer valid) to prove that modern leftists are more libertarian than modern rightists! They will say that libertarianism is "inherently leftist" (again, using the original, no longer valid definition), and use that to insist that we should prefer and side with modern leftists over modern rightists.

Question their motives.

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Ego:

Why don't they have those posters today?

Because they clearly state premises that can be argued against. 

They've learned not to do that.  Platitudes, raw emotional appeals, and empty promises are nearly as effective, and impossible to rationally fight.  Besides, after 50 years of public schooling, the arguments made by these posters would just get a giant "huh?" from most of their target audience.

 

 

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Ego replied on Mon, May 19 2008 9:33 PM

Has the illegal drug trade undermined the size of government?

Don't allow leftists to play games with definitions! Some of the libertarian-leaning leftists at this forum will try to redefine "left-wing" back to its original defition (Third Estate, limited government, free-markets, laissez-faire reforms, etc.). Fine! We non-leftists can't stop them from using their own personal definitions; they can use whatever labels they want to describe any concept they want.

However, they have the audacity to then use their personal definition of "left-wing" (remember, the original definition, which is no longer valid) to prove that modern leftists are more libertarian than modern rightists! They will say that libertarianism is "inherently leftist" (again, using the original, no longer valid definition), and use that to insist that we should prefer and side with modern leftists over modern rightists.

Question their motives.

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N-A, I like your graphic, but I would lose the slogan, just keep the graphic and the bottom line.

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but most people are not as intelligent as you.  Smile

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Ego:

Has the illegal drug trade undermined the size of government?

This is a good question no one seems to be in a rush to answer.

 

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Juan replied on Mon, May 19 2008 9:48 PM
here's an idea

edit : Hm - the image shows up cropped. There seems to be something wrong with the way the forum displays big pictures.
Here's a link then : http://anarcocapitalismo.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/freedom_31.jpg

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liberty student:

N-A, I like your graphic, but I would lose the slogan, just keep the graphic and the bottom line.

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but most people are not as intelligent as you.  Smile


Indeed, even after working on the slogan, I felt it was just too "wordy" to be effective.  I will revise it and post it back up later.

 

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MacFall replied on Mon, May 19 2008 10:20 PM

liberty student:

Ego:

Has the illegal drug trade undermined the size of government?

This is a good question no one seems to be in a rush to answer.

Not enough people use drugs for their banishment to the underground to be a threat to the state. But that is a good starting point for building a counter-economy that will eventually absorb those goods which WILL hurt the state.

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Solredime replied on Tue, May 20 2008 5:21 AM

liberty student:

Ego:

Has the illegal drug trade undermined the size of government?

This is a good question no one seems to be in a rush to answer.

I still need to check my sources, but I've heard that one of the main lobbyers to ban drugs and create the "War on drugs" were pharmaceutical companies and various other people that eventually profited a huge amount from making them illegal. If anything, people affiliated to the state (large corporations) may have profited from the war on drugs, so you can't really call this the black market.

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Forgot to post this up the other day:




I might try & make more this week if I'm not too busy...

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eliotn replied on Fri, May 15 2009 3:04 PM

 

Schools are labour camps.

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Juan replied on Fri, May 15 2009 3:14 PM
LOL. I thought there were some typos in the original posters. I take it you corrected them ? =]

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eliotn replied on Fri, May 15 2009 3:15 PM

Juan:
LOL. I thought there were some typos in the original posters. I take it you corrected them ? =]

Yes, I did.

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Natalie replied on Mon, May 18 2009 3:59 PM

Funny!

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Great work eliotn!

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solos replied on Tue, May 19 2009 11:39 AM

http://www.libertymaniacs.com/

That has some witty shirts that have a liberty message. (I'm not affiliated with the site at all I just thought some might enjoy it)

 

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wilderness replied on Tue, May 19 2009 12:13 PM

solos:

http://www.libertymaniacs.com/

That has some witty shirts that have a liberty message. (I'm not affiliated with the site at all I just thought some might enjoy it)

Now this one from that site is bold to say the least!

 

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