Is there any material about it on these forums? I remember it being mentioned a while ago.
http://mises.org/Community/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=public+school
Everywhere.
Do a search on the mises home page.
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=mises.org+education&oq=mises.org+education&gs_l=hp.3..0i30l2.235.2183.0.2296.19.11.0.7.7.2.282.1752.0j9j2.11.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.jZ8rHcUbJzQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=e0df06f341f4db3a&biw=1435&bih=862
Heres one of my favorite videos also (preferably watch this after public schools have been abolished, and you need to find a new way to teach children, OR if you are extablishing your own private school):
“Since people are concerned that ‘X’ will not be provided, ‘X’ will naturally be provided by those who are concerned by its absence.""The sweetest of minds can harbor the harshest of men.”
http://voluntaryistreader.wordpress.org
LibertyHQ has an aggregated list of libertarian education links:
http://candlemind.com/projects/progclub/file/michael/edu.php
Gee Wheylous. How come this LibertyHQ site is hosted at "candlemind.com"? That seems odd. I'm not sure I should trust this source.
What about the socialization argument?
I honestly never saw how public schools encourage socialization
In fact don't you get punished for not just shutting up and listening throughout most of the day save maybe recess and lunch
The argument is that people make friends at school and if they didn't go, they would stay home all day.
I'm gonna go ahead and recommend The War on Kids.
Most kids go to school because their parents tell them they have to, not because of any laws telling them to.
Seriously? Is that what you did on the weekends when you were a kid? In fact when I was in primary school I barely saw other school kids on the weekends - I played with the neighbourhood kids instead. Anyway, the only reason that there wouldn't be other children to 'socialise' with during the week is that they are all in school!! There's plenty of opportunities for children to make friends outside of school: through sport, scouts, family friends etc. This would be even more the case if less children were in school.
This argument could be countered with: Most parents tell their kids they have to go to school because the state mandates them to.
The only one worth following is the one who leads... not the one who pulls; for it is not the direction that condemns the puller, it is the rope that he holds.
I'm pretty sure Neo was just responding to Luminar by saying that the impetus for schooling comes from the parents rather than from the state, i.e. the fact that the state has schooling laws doesn't mean that there would be no schooling in the absence of these laws.
Yea Aristippus pretty much summed it up.
It's hard for me to see a loving parent letting a 10 year old run around free doing what I wanted to do with my time at that age (oh how I love you Pokemon) without any sort of educational/vocational plan, even if it's some sort of homeschooling.
Interestingly, Neodoxy, I've come across people who were essentially taught to read not by schools, but by playing text-heavy video games like Pokemon.
True, but since education would (or at least could) be vastly different in a free society, it's also likely that there will be many parents that wish to educate their child differently (maybe not in one building for 7-8 hours/5 five days a week, or maybe not away from home at all, etc.). In fact, the way I imagine a free society, most of the kids in school will want to be there, as they will be actually learning about things that actually interest them instead of forcing millions of kids through the same one-size-fits-all curriculum. But I do apologize for possibly not understanding what Neodoxy was getting at.
Also, if I may add, not all parents are loving (even if that demographic were only 1%). Then mix in the fact that in a free society, parents would likely have to pay for the tuition for each session/semester/year at a time (instead of being taxed constantly to fund public schools, regardless of whether the taxpayer has children using those public schools) and we can see it might be likely that for another small demographic, the kids who just refuse to do their homework/get the passing grades/just aren't built for schooling (at least in the traditional sense), that these kids' parents will stop paying the tuition/sending their kids to school, even if they search for alternatives for their child's education/training.
There was a study on this. The conclusion was that homeschooled kids outscored schooled kids in all social categories. I have the links at home, but I am currently away for a week.
Funny, cuz for now it's almost completely a list of links to other websites. All of which are reputable.
About the study on socialization:
I tried to find the link from fresh, but I didn't find the exact thing, so here are a few sources on socialization. They might very well be biased, but it's something worth looking into:
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000000/00000068.asp
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/144135.aspx
http://school.familyeducation.com/home-schooling/human-relations/56224.html
http://www.homeschoolnewslink.com/blog/?p=629
Phi,
I agree that in a free society education would look a lot different (and hopefully a lot better!), but the simple argument that if compulsory attendance laws were banned or even if the public school system would finish that the vast majority of children who attend school today would stop attending and there would be no demand for private schooling is ridiculous and I'm attempting to dispel that notion.
^^^Neodoxy
Id gladly attend a school that taught what i am interested in.
The reasonw why everyone hates school is because we are taught things that dont even relate to real life.
@Neo
My bad. My intention was not to imply that without compulsory attendance laws and public education, the demand for education would drop dramatically. In fact, I believe that in a free society, directly due to widespread competition without government interference of any sort and emerging educational technologies being more within reach for most, not only will education be better, but it will be cheaper (overall) and much more efficient. The demand won't likely drop too much, but what is demanded from educators will change (although, I guess we can't say there is truly "demand" for public schools, since the funds are stolen instead of voluntarily traded). Again, my apologies.
Kelvin,
As someone who recently left the system I can say that most things which you don't think relate to "real life" really do as long as you're talking about higher skilled vocations. I was in the same boat that you are, I hated studying most of the subjects I had to learn and I was totally disinterested with most stuff outside of the social sciences, and everything in that subject I excelled at beyond a lot of my teachers (don't worry, I'm really quite a modest internet anarchist). At any rate I found that few people were interested in anything as such. Anyway you can make arguments about how "real" any of the four main subjects are. Social Sciences are useless if you're not going to be a history teacher, literature is useless if you're not going to be an english teacher, science is useless if you're not going to be a doctor, engineer, or scientist. Math is the only subject you can really proudly declare is used in pretty much all advanced vocations.
If high school students were asked to pick a course list then I think a good number of them would pick the easiest, especially if they knew it wouldn't affect how colleges viewed them. This is part of why I really appreciate the German system of education which is a lot more career oriented and gives students a lot more choices that are practical.
"This is part of why I really appreciate the German system of education which is a lot more career oriented and gives students a lot more choices that are practical."
This.
I hate the make everyone learn same shit cookie cutter approach. Id love to study computers later on and economics also.
Messy Mondays: Seven Lies about Homeschoolers
More here: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDEBEA276913F8838