Would you be fine with people voluntarily instituting worker self-management? Workplaces without bosses - doesn't that sound great? Sort of like a world without state authority, right?
Sine the choice of worker self-management negates the capitalist market itself, it would be the end of the market that you so cherish. what will you do to defend it?
the choice of worker self-management negates the capitalist market itself
hahaha. That's a bold statement.
It's highly unlikely that the entirety of society would voluntarily switch to worker self-management, as you put it, even if it did, it would not necessarily follow that society would cease to be capitalistic in the sense Market Anarchists use the word capitalist. Even a society completely worker self-managed wouldn't mean the elimination of the market, for instance Mutualism for the most part is worker self-managed, yet there is still a market under Mutualism.
No. But I might use violence to voluntarily institute management self-workmanship. A workplace with out employees-doesn't that sound great?
This is DEFINATELY Kylio. I am certain of it now.
If this workplace is producing a product of some kind, I assume they want to offload it? i.e. engage in trade? Unless your self-managing workers (whatever THAT means) can eat, wear, and live in the shoes they produce or whatever.
If those workers employed violence or theft of property in order to institute their fairyland, I'd be glad to help their victims get restitution. If they didn't, they can do whatever they want. Why should anyone else care?
OP, your posts are following a familiar pattern...also, your shirt is too small.
Assuming the workers bought the business from the original owner, I have no problem with it and more power to them. Absolutely nothing stopping them from doing that right now in fact, and competing on the market with other business structures.
If you are suggesting the workers can simply steal the place of business and productive capital from the original owners, then that would be an aggression against the owner and use of violence to prevent that theft would be perfectly legitimate on moral grounds. And if they tried it against me, I would employ legitimate defensive coercion to prevent it, yes.
Define "the market," because you're not making a lick of sense. Plenty of socialists would be surprised to hear that worker-owned businesses leads to "the eliminiation of the market."
These questions are insufferable.
MissSocialist: Sin[c]e the choice of worker self-management negates the capitalist market itself
Sin[c]e the choice of worker self-management negates the capitalist market itself
Begging the question at its finest.
DEFINATELY
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As to the OP, suit yourself. If you like coops, we won't do anything to stop you. Just as we'd like to see drugs legalized though many of us (myself included) have no intention to use drugs, I would similarly like regulations on coops to be eliminated and private property (including voluntarily pooled coop property) rules to be enforced.
David Friedman's Machinery of Freedom discusses your question and says exactly what people here will say - that it's all cool, though unlikely.
your shirt is too small.
You're obviously one of the liebrtarians trying to oppress her
I guess I must be. Hmmm. As a working, childless wife, I must be horribly deluded to be agreeing with you dreadful, moneygrubbing pigs. I see it now! I must rise up and steal my hardworking boss's property from her! I and my clueless coworkers must wrench the reins of business from those who pay us! I, having taken no financial risks, and without experience, am by the right of my economic status, nevertheless OWED an equal piece of the action! Hooray, thank you boobies, I'd never have seen the light without you.