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Poverty in the ghettos

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10Brandonr posted on Sun, Sep 21 2008 12:50 PM
What causes the formation of those inner city economic ghettos. What restrictions are preventing the employment and economic advancements to those living in ghettos, particularly black americans? What necessary policies must be implemented or abandoned in order to allow the slums to become economically healthy and pursuit prosperity? Are there any articles on the causes of poverty within the ghettos?

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Zoning laws, the fact that the ghetto is not an appealing place to open a new businesses, rent control, minimum wage, child labor laws, criminalization of drugs, protectionism, affirmative action, ect.

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Things I would blame the formation of ghettos on:

1. Welfare that creates incentives for young, single women to have illegitimate children and for capable workers to not work and instead become criminals.

2. Drug laws that prevent successful inner city entrepreneurs from doing their work and hiring others.

3. Shitty public schools that entrap inner city kids into a "culture of poverty."

4. Shitty public courts and police forces that do not protect inner city residents from crime.

5. Public housing, which is usually in disrepair and creates a pro-crime psychological arena. The bureaucrats in charge of public housing are usually not able to prevent crime on their premises, either.

6. Minimum wage laws that prevent the least skilled inner city residents from getting a job.

7. Unions that artificially raise wage rates that prevent the least skilled inner city residents from getting a job.

8. High taxes and regulations which prevent businesses from hiring inner city residents and new small businesses from springing up in inner cities.

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Answered (Verified) Andrew replied on Sun, Sep 21 2008 4:44 PM
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Zoning laws, the fact that the ghetto is not an appealing place to open a new businesses, rent control, minimum wage, child labor laws, criminalization of drugs, protectionism, affirmative action, ect.

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Things I would blame the formation of ghettos on:

1. Welfare that creates incentives for young, single women to have illegitimate children and for capable workers to not work and instead become criminals.

2. Drug laws that prevent successful inner city entrepreneurs from doing their work and hiring others.

3. Shitty public schools that entrap inner city kids into a "culture of poverty."

4. Shitty public courts and police forces that do not protect inner city residents from crime.

5. Public housing, which is usually in disrepair and creates a pro-crime psychological arena. The bureaucrats in charge of public housing are usually not able to prevent crime on their premises, either.

6. Minimum wage laws that prevent the least skilled inner city residents from getting a job.

7. Unions that artificially raise wage rates that prevent the least skilled inner city residents from getting a job.

8. High taxes and regulations which prevent businesses from hiring inner city residents and new small businesses from springing up in inner cities.

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Wren replied on Sun, Sep 21 2008 10:02 PM

Ironically kaju, those are all the things Marxists find essential (with the exception of drug laws).  According to them, there isn't enough of what you enumerated.  We need MOAR!

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ama gi replied on Sun, Sep 21 2008 10:06 PM

krazy kaju:

7. Unions that artificially raise wage rates that prevent the least skilled inner city residents from getting a job.

I thought that high union wages give employers an incentive to hire non-union workers.

If I and my neighbor are running competing lemonade stands, and I arbitrarily raise my price, it gives customers an incentive to buy my neighbor's lemonade instead of mine.  Am I missing something?

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Wren replied on Sun, Sep 21 2008 10:19 PM

ama gi:

krazy kaju:

7. Unions that artificially raise wage rates that prevent the least skilled inner city residents from getting a job.

I thought that high union wages give employers an incentive to hire non-union workers.

In some cases, you have to join the unions or unions have special gov't privileges that wouldn't allow it.  Also, unions would pressure employers to give unskilled workers wages that aren't warranted.

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Stranger replied on Mon, Sep 22 2008 12:07 PM

Those are all reasons why poverty happens in general, but why poverty happens principally in the ghettoes can only be blamed on moral degeneration.

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Juan replied on Mon, Sep 22 2008 2:11 PM
Hahaha. Priceless.

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ama gi:
I thought that high union wages give employers an incentive to hire non-union workers.

If I and my neighbor are running competing lemonade stands, and I arbitrarily raise my price, it gives customers an incentive to buy my neighbor's lemonade instead of mine.  Am I missing something?

You're assuming we live in a free market society. Things are different when it is relatively easy for labor to unionize against the wishes of the employer. Things are also different when big unions can come in and forcefully unionize businesses due to regulations.

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Poverty, it's all about the shoes.

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I don't really believe that. Morals of a society don't really determine prosperity, and the free market naturally encourages and provides incentives to morals that induce prosperity. So if there is moral degeneration within the slums (a better word than 'ghettos', since 'ghettos' imply race), then it is because of restrictions in the free market, specifically within those areas that become urban slums. At least thats my opinion. Also, thanks for the answers, they really do help. Does anybody know of any articles or literature on the the subject or possibly on zoning laws?

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ama gi replied on Tue, Sep 23 2008 1:30 AM

10Brandonr:
I don't really believe that. Morals of a society don't really determine prosperity, and the free market naturally encourages and provides incentives to morals that induce prosperity. So if there is moral degeneration within the slums (a better word than 'ghettos', since 'ghettos' imply race), then it is because of restrictions in the free market, specifically within those areas that become urban slums. At least thats my opinion. Also, thanks for the answers, they really do help. Does anybody know of any articles or literature on the the subject or possibly on zoning laws?

I've read that rent control stops property values from rising, making it unprofitable to keep properties in good repair.

I would also blame controlled substance laws, which make it profitable for people to join a drug-dealing operation rather than find legitimate employment.

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I believe that Walter Block's "Defending the Undefendable" has several sections that relate to the general theme of your questions. 

Also, Robert P. Murphy's  "Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism" has several sections that are relevant.

I have both in print, and I don't know about free sources.

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